Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

LGL47

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The Motor Starts, Idles And Runs Great Bellow Mid Throttle, When You Try To Maintain Around Full Throttle It Starts To Bog, But I Can Engage The Choke And It Will Run Better.any Help? Also What Is The Solenoid Looking Thing With Two Wires Going To It And A Flip Type Handle On The Right Front Side?
 

ondarvr

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Don't use it that way or it will be toast very soon.

Weak fuel pump, air leak, plugged fuel filter, junk in the carb, it's most likely one of these.

It's best to check all of them.

That's the Primer (sort of like a choke) or choke, I'm not sure which year they started using the primer.
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Thanks For The Quick Reply. I Have Gone Thru The Fuel Sys. Replacing Clamps, Filter, Cracked Hoses Etc. The Only Thing I Have Not Checked Was The Fuel Pumps. Thanks. Motor Will Not Idle With The Primer Flipped Forward But Does Well With It Flipped To The Rea Is This Normal?
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

It's very common for the carbs to get junk in them and plugging some jets, so if you haven't rebuilt them you should. An air leak at one of the fuel line connectors can do the same thing.

I forgot to welcome you to iboats too.
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

also a clogged fuel tank vent. try pumping the bulb when it does it, instead of choking. if pumping the bulb helps check the fuel pump. if it doesn't the carbs.

below is the primer solenoid in the normal run postion. pushing the key in, or choke button activates it.
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Here is Joes explanation, very thorough.

(Fuel Primer Solenoid Function)
(J. Reeves)

The RED lever...... The normal operating/running position is to have that red lever positioned over top of the solenoid and aimed at the other end of the solenoid, gently turned to its stop. This is the normal/automatic mode position. Pushing the key in opens the valve within the solenoid allowing fuel to pass thru it in order to prime and start the engine. Looking upon this solenoid as a electric choke results in a better understanding of it.

Having that red lever turned in the opposite direction, facing away from the solenoid, allows fuel to flow thru it to the crankcase area. One would only turn the red lever to this position in a case where the battery might go dead and the engine had to be started via the rope pull method. Look upon putting the red lever in this position as moving a choke lever on a choke equipped engine to the full closed position. Either one would supply fuel to the crankcase/engine for starting purposes BUT if left in that position while running would flood the engine.

The later model primer solenoids are equipped with a schrader valve, used for attaching a pressurized can of fogging oil etc, available at your local dealership with complete instructions.

Pumping the fuel primer bulb up hard fills the carburetor float chambers of course, but that process also applies fuel pressure to the primer solenoid.

The two small hoses leading from the primer solenoid branch off via tees to each fuel manifold section that would feed fuel to the individual cylinders.

Pushing the key in activates the primer solenoid to allow fuel to flow thru it to the intake manifold passageways. Cranking the engine over causes the fuel pump to engage which in turn sends fuel pulses to the primer solenoid via the 3/8" fuel hose.

Some engines incorporates the "Fast Start" feature which automatically advances the spark electronically so no advance of the throttle is required for starting.
Engines that do not have the "Fast Start" feature will be required to have the throttle advanced slightly.

Starting procedure: pump fuel bulb up hard, crank engine and push the key in at the same time. When the engine fires/starts, release the key so that it falls back to the run position.

Bottom line..... Look upon the primer solenoid as an electric choke.
 

LGL47

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Thanks for the welcome aboard. I had the carbs rebuilt about 3 years ago.The tank vent is clear and it has mud dobber screens installed. The fuel primer solenoid explaination was great, I did not like having a mistery part on the motor. I am going to purchase fuel pump rebuild kits and see if that is the problem, I'll keep you all posted.
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lgl47
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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Carbs rebuilt 3 years ago is a long time ago. My money is on clogged main jets.
 

LGL47

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Rebuilt Both Fuel Pumps, Now It Won't Get Up On A Plane. Pulled The Pumps Again, Thinking Maybe I Screwed Up, Went Thru Them Again, Found No Dead Bodies, Re Installed And Still Will Not Come Out Of The Hole. Starts And Runs Great At Idle. Any Thoughts?
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Sounds like the problem I went through at the start of summer; clogged main jets. Good luck!
 

LGL47

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

I Will try The Main Jets Next, Any Tricks To It? Do I Have To Pull All The Carbs?
Thanks
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

There is 2 brass plugs(screws) on each side of the float bowl on the bottom of the carbs.You can pull those and see the jets inside but its best to take the carbs apart and blow out all passages.You may get lucky and the crud be in the bottom and blow those jets out.You can rebuild each carb in under 30 minutes with the kits.
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

You will need a specialized tool to remove the jet, or you can make one yourself with a beltsander. This video may help. Good luck.

"http://www.meegsonline.com/tmd/TMDsVideoChronicle2.wmv"
 

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

Compliments of FR

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LGL47

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Re: Early 80's Johnson 150 Power Surge At Top End

I Bought Carb Rebuild Kits And When I Pulled The Carbs And Opened Up The Bowls, I Found Water Beads In All Three. The Bowls Were Otherwise Clean And The Jets Were Clear And No Varnish. I Returned The Kits And Bought A Water Separator Filter Instead. I Think This Was The Problem All Along. I Also Drained The Fuel Tank And Put In Fresh Gas. I Will Test Fly The Boat Tomorrow. Will Let All Know How It Went. Thanks For The Help.
 
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