Education Requirement for Rec Boat Operators

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I found this while i was on http://www.uscg.mil/

Education Requirement for Rec Boat Operators

Federal Education Requirement for Recreational Boat Operators Receives Renewed Support From National Boating Safety Advisory Council (NBSAC)

WASHINGTON - During the 80th meeting of the National Boating Safety Advisory Council (NBSAC), Council members unanimously voted in favor of a resolution recommending that that U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) continue to seek Statutory Authority to require that a boat operator, on waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, possess a certificate showing completion of an education course or its equivalent. The Council also recommended that the USCG assemble a task force to develop a draft of the minimum proposed mandatory education requirements that meet current educational standards. The objective of this task force is to resolve multiple interpretations, advance the process, and clarify their intent prior to legislative authorization.

Consistent with previous years, the Coast Guard's 48th annual report, Boating Statistics 2006, indicates that 70% of reported deaths occurred on recreational boats where the operator had not received any formal boating safety instruction. On average, approximately 700 people die in recreational boating accidents each year. It is the belief of boating safety experts that requiring recreational boaters to have boating safety instruction could save numerous lives each year.

The NBSAC was established by the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. The law requires the Secretary of U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the commandant of the U.S Coast Guard by delegation, to consult with the Council in prescribing federal regulations, and other issues regarding other major boating safety matters.

The Council consists of 21 members drawn equally from state officials responsible for boating safety programs; representatives of the boat manufacturing industry; and representatives of national recreational boating organizations and the general public. The Secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security appoints NBSAC members and the Director of Prevention Policy of the U.S. Coast Guard is the Council's sponsor. Current Members include representatives of the following organizations:

US Sailing
Bombardier Recreational Products

Indmar Products

ACR Electronics, Inc.

Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency

Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission

California Department of Boating and Waterways

U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary

American Canoe Association

Two representatives of the Boating Public

Mercury Marine

Water Sports Industry Association

Forever Resorts

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department

Iowa Department of Natural Resources

Maine Marine Patrol

Nevada Department of Wildlife

United States Power Squadrons

National Water Safety Congress




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The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the
Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America.
 

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Re: Education Requirement for Rec Boat Operators

I for one am against it. In Louisiana we have a requirement for the training if you are born after 1988 I believe. I agree it is a good thing to have, I just do not like the federal government mandating it. I am against alot of the federal gov.'s intrusion into my life. I am sure this will create a firestorm of backlash on here from the folks that think it should be mandatory, but I am still against it. I am fine with the states being free to require it as they see fit.
 

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I for one am against it. In Louisiana we have a requirement for the training if you are born after 1988 I believe. I agree it is a good thing to have, I just do not like the federal government mandating it. I am against alot of the federal gov.'s intrusion into my life. I am sure this will create a firestorm of backlash on here from the folks that think it should be mandatory, but I am still against it. I am fine with the states being free to require it as they see fit.

So are you against requiring a driver's license for a car?:confused:
 

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So are you against requiring a driver's license for a car?:confused:

No. Read what I said. I said I am against the federal government requiring me to have boating safety. I said I am fine with the state requiring it. The states regulate drivers' licenses, not the federal government. I believe that right now the federal government is making grabs at all the authority they can get and I am against that. I believe the states should be able to regulate what training and licenses they require for their own roads and waterways.
 

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the US Coast Guard is in charge of all Navigable waters, thus, it is really their ball of wax. For you to operate on any Navigable water your boat must meet USCG standards, the state can then put more restrictions on you.

I am 100% in favor of it, and think before a owner can register a boat, he/she should be required to show, that he/she has successfully complete the requirements. this way at least the one who owns the boat has no excuse.
 

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Although I recommend safety courses to new boaters, I too am against mandatory boating licensing laws, federal or state. I just don't want any new laws. Enforce what we got and be done with it . . .
 

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Although I recommend safety courses to new boaters, I too am against mandatory boating licensing laws, federal or state. I just don't want any new laws. Enforce what we got and be done with it . . .

That is exactly how I feel about it. I think we have way to many laws now as it is.
 

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The reason we need laws is we are a nation of idiots.

I wish we didn't need laws, but guess what, we do. You guys would change your tune if some boater with no knowledge kills someone in your family.
 

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Laws only prevent law abiding people from breaking them. Some idiot will kill others no matter what laws you want passed. Do gun laws stop gangs? No. Do insurance requirement laws stop uninsured drivers? No.

This meets the definition of insanity, people. There are plenty of means to prosecute anyone boating to endanger. So prosecute them when you see them. I see plenty of people with a valid driver's license driving like a fool. Licensing requirements only ensure people pass a simple test, not become safe drivers/boaters/etc.

I shouldn't be fined for letting my kid drive the boat on open water with nobody around.

Frankly, what infuriates me about that entire section is this:

indicates that 70% of reported deaths occurred on recreational boats where the operator had not received any formal boating safety instruction.

Yeah.. because formal training is so required, because everyone knows people are too stupid to learn anything on their own. You may as well argue 99% of gang shooting perpetrators have not received formal gun handling training, and passing a licensing requirement to have a gun will curb most of those shootings. Heads need to come out of you know where when considering any licensing law.
 

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Laws only prevent law abiding people from breaking them. Some idiot will kill others no matter what laws you want passed. Do gun laws stop gangs? No. Do insurance requirement laws stop uninsured drivers? No.

You may as well argue 99% of gang shooting perpetrators have not received formal gun handling training, and passing a licensing requirement to have a gun will curb most of those shootings. Heads need to come out of you know where when considering any licensing law.

Amen...

More enforcement is what's needed, we already have laws in place.
 

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The reason we need laws is we are a nation of idiots.

I wish we didn't need laws, but guess what, we do. You guys would change your tune if some boater with no knowledge kills someone in your family.

This is a pure and simple out for someone. Hell yes I would be upset if a member of my family got killed. But, adding classes isn't going to stop it. There are all kinds of things in this world that can kill you. Same argument the gun control nuts use. If some folks had their way we will all end up in plastic bubbles so we cannot hurt ourselves. Do you really believe that boating classes are going to help that much? Last I checked driver's ed is required, but it doesn't stop idiot from driving like fools. What's next? Mandatory classes to own firearms? That would surely stop gun violence. Sure. Requiring classes for everything is a slippery slope to go down. Where does it stop? There are laws on the books to enforce and keep people safe from themselves and others. Enforce those. Also, notice I said I was fine with my state requiring it, just not the federal government. I am tired of the federal government interfering in my life. I didn't spend 8 years of my life in the military defending this great country to have some idiot in DC decide he knows how to run my life better than I do. Start enforcing the laws we have and holding people accountable for their actions if you want to cut down on accidents.
 

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This one is always a good debate, let's keep it clean OK guys? So far so good, but tread lightly please :)
 

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Here in Ohio if you were born after January 1, 1982 you must receive a certification to operate... and you'd better have your card with you if you're ever on the lake behind the wheel! I believe the fine is quite hefty.

I know because I was born on April 12, 1982.

I took a certification class back when I was 13 or 14. Many years passed and I lost my original certificate. When I bought my boat last year I retested online and was shocked it cost me almost $45..

If the federal government mandates licensing does that mean us boaters licensed at the state level must retest?
 

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Another thought to throw in there. If the classes are federally mandated, are you going to have to have federal registration for your watercraft so they can check to see if you are licensed? May seem like a stretch for some, but not to me. I could easily see the gov. requiring this so they can check and make sure you have a certificate if you own a boat. Now, you have one more tax to pay to the federal government. Also, would you have to have both state and federal registration? You see where I am heading? I very bad path in my mind.
 

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The big fear I have is that recreational boating will wind up falling under EPA jursidiction. Then you will really see big brother shoving regs down you're throat.
 

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Cap and trade on the lake?? Oh god no!
 

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Interesting debate. My son had to take the course to get an FL 'license', and I took it with him, so I have one, too, despite spending nearly my whole life on and around the water. Unfortunately, you can't teach, license, or regulate common sense to many people. I would assume that pretty much all of the drivers that you see on the road have a license, and had to take a test, but I see things every day that make me wonder why that person is still allowed to drive. It won't be any different with boating. It's probably going to become necessary, given the sheer numbers of boaters clogging the waterways these days. I just don't think it will help. This weekend here locally, a jetski hit a BARGE, killing one person. How do you hit a BARGE?! Two jet skis also hit each other in another incident. The safe boating class didn't say anything about not running into barges with your jet ski. In the end, it's yet another way to limit the freedoms of responsible people to try to account for the morons, and of course, another new tax to hit us with.
 

cwhite6

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Interesting debate. My son had to take the course to get an FL 'license', and I took it with him, so I have one, too, despite spending nearly my whole life on and around the water. Unfortunately, you can't teach, license, or regulate common sense to many people. I would assume that pretty much all of the drivers that you see on the road have a license, and had to take a test, but I see things every day that make me wonder why that person is still allowed to drive. It won't be any different with boating. It's probably going to become necessary, given the sheer numbers of boaters clogging the waterways these days. I just don't think it will help. This weekend here locally, a jetski hit a BARGE, killing one person. How do you hit a BARGE?! Two jet skis also hit each other in another incident. The safe boating class didn't say anything about not running into barges with your jet ski. In the end, it's yet another way to limit the freedoms of responsible people to try to account for the morons, and of course, another new tax to hit us with.

That barge jumper right in my way officer! :)
 

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Canada brought this in a few years ago with a gradual / staged phasing in. This year everyone needs it, no matter when you were born etc... Wouldn't bother me too much, except for what a joke the course was. The test was about 90% about knowing the markings on navigational buoys in large waterways (like the St. Laurence or at an ocean harbour). Very little of what was needed to pass the test was applicable for boaters on small inland lakes (like all of us that we're taking the course). The instructor never even discussed things like not having the engine running when someone is in the water near the prop, or anything like that... It was more a session on learning maritime navigation regulations than a boat "safety" thing.

I remember one Q on the test was about what was the "most appropriate" tool kit to carry on the boat. (it was multiple choice) None of the answers were very good, and there was no info about what kind of boat the Q was written for. Outboard? I/O? Canoe? After I asked why the "correct" answer was more correct than the others... she couldn't answer me.

Anyway, it was something like $30... took an afternoon of my life, but now I have the card and am legal. :rolleyes: But... I'm no safer than I was before, and I've forgotten all the buoy stuff (except to stay between the red and green buoys :) )
 

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A pwc hit a barge?
It?s obviously apparent to me, only pwc's need the safety course!:D
 
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