Electric Tilt Trim direct wiring questions

[tomynoks]

I have an '84 johnson 115. I just bought it, so I'm not real familiar with it yet. I also bought some controls that I thought were for this year, but they turned out to be the huge ones for 73-78 motors. It looks like they'll work, but I have tilt/trim and the controls do not. I have read several posts here about how to wire it to separate 3-way momentary switch....no problem there. What I cannot figure out (I'm sure it's simple) is that there is harness going from the TT to the main wiring harness and nothing to the battery. My old 69 had separate TT wiring that went direct to negative ground on battery and the TT switch on the switch panel. It was hydraulic though. My question is this: can I bypass the main wiring harness and route the TT wiring directly to the battery and switch or do I have to do it differently? It does have the relay box as shown here:

http://12.2.215.22/Scripts/ImgServ....80\24.TIF&ilSC=25&ilIV=0&ilBR=0&ilIF=G&ilRE=8

Thanks,

Tom Smith

 

[tomynoks]

Re: Electric Tilt Trim direct wiring questions

Upon further inspection, there's a 5-wire plug coming out of the relay box. Does anyone have a diagram, or can direct me to one that shows what to do with these wires? There's a black, red w/ wht stripe, white and 2 green w/ white stripe. I'm guessing the red and black are pos/neg, 2 green go to the switch? What about the white? or am I way off base?

Thanks,

Tom

 

[david_r]

Re: Electric Tilt Trim direct wiring questions

heres some wire color codes
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/wireColorCode.html#OMC

i would be careful about using a non marine switch---i tried it and even had on a little rubber booty and it still got wet...........i would buy a regular tilt/trim switch.

you can get one from this site for i think about $30 and put it on your steering wheel.

i was warned about using a reg toggle switch too. i did it anyway and blew a few fuses then after a good rain it burnt the wires and switch.........i was read about a guy that says he had one burn up a trim motor by coming on from being wet.

 

[tomynoks]

Re: Electric Tilt Trim direct wiring questions

Thanks David. I'm wiring it into my main switch panel that is water proof. I finally have it all figured out and will hook it up tomorrow morning.

Thanks again!

Tom

 

[tomynoks]

Re: Electric Tilt Trim direct wiring questions

This was my original thread, but ezeke and and I were discussing it on another thread. I thought I'd post our conversation here and maybe someone else can help.

tomynoks tomynoks is online now
Seaman Apprentice

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 36
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
I have an '84 Johnson 115...I've got 5 wires coming from my relay box, red w/wht, black, white and 2 grn w/ wht. How do I wire the switch? I assume red and the 2 grns will do both up and down, where do the black and white wires connect to?

Thanks,

Tom Smith
Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
tomynoks
View Public Profile
Send a private message to tomynoks
Find all posts by tomynoks
Add tomynoks to Your Buddy List
#9 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM
ezeke ezeke is offline
Admiral

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 6,504
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
To tomynoks: Wire the auxiliary switch as circled in the thumbnail.

You should have black and black and tan wire; the tan may have faded.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version Name: 84 2 wireT&T.JPG Views: 7 Size: 66.6 KB ID: 20885
Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
ezeke
View Public Profile
Send a private message to ezeke
Find all posts by ezeke
Add ezeke to Your Buddy List
#10 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM
tomynoks tomynoks is online now
Seaman Apprentice

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 36
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
ezeke,

I have a connector coming out of the relay box that should go to the switch, but there are 5 wires, black, red w/ wht, white and two green w/ wht. There's no black and tan. I appreciate the help.... Please check my other post as well:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=286572

Thanks,

Tom
Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
tomynoks
View Public Profile
Send a private message to tomynoks
Find all posts by tomynoks
Add tomynoks to Your Buddy List
#11 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 07:03 PM
tomynoks tomynoks is online now
Seaman Apprentice

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 36
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
ezeke,

The plug shown in the lower left of your diagram is EXACTLY what I have. It shows, grn, red and blue for the bottom the thre, so my blue is faded and looks grn. The top wires look like tan/white and blk/tan. I understand that the gen, red and blue wires go to the switch, but where do I connect the blk/tan and tan/wht wires if at all?

I am least confident with electrical.... looking at the diagram again, where's the power coming from? Just so you know, I am not adding another switch, I just put this motor on and bought controls without tilt/trim, so I'm trying to wire the TT into my switch panel with off-on-off momentary switch.

Thanks again,

Tom
Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
tomynoks
View Public Profile
Send a private message to tomynoks
Find all posts by tomynoks
Add tomynoks to Your Buddy List
#12 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 07:15 PM
ezeke ezeke is offline
Admiral

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 6,504
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
The amphenol with the five wires is the harness running to the helm (remote). The red, green and blue wires with white stripes are for the switch on the remote and the other two wires are for the trim gauge.

You just need three additional wires spliced to the red/white, green/white and blue/white to add an additional switch at the engine.

The thread you jumped is about adding a second switch; if that is not what you are doing, you should start a new thread.
Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
ezeke
View Public Profile
Send a private message to ezeke
Find all posts by ezeke
Add ezeke to Your Buddy List
#13 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 07:27 PM
tomynoks tomynoks is online now
Seaman Apprentice

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 36
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
Thank you very much! I did start a new thread first, but didn't get any quick responses. I posted a link to it for you in one of my last posts. I don't have a trim gauge, so if I connect the blue, green and red to a switch it should work, right? I just want to be sure before I connect anything to the battery.

Thanks again,

Tom Smith
Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
tomynoks
View Public Profile
Send a private message to tomynoks
Find all posts by tomynoks
Add tomynoks to Your Buddy List
#14 Report Post
Old Yesterday, 07:48 PM
ezeke ezeke is offline
Admiral

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 6,504
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
The battery should already be connected to the relays V1 and V2 for the voltage to drive the trim motor.

The switch itself uses very little power, just enough to trip the relays which switches polarity. It uses fused +12V from V3.

When you trip the switch up you connect green/white to red/white to activate V4.

When you trip the switch down you connect blue/white to red/white to activate V6.

The relay panel should already be grounded to the engine block.
Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message
ezeke
View Public Profile
Send a private message to ezeke
Find all posts by ezeke
Add ezeke to Your Buddy List
#15 Report Post
Old Today, 01:59 PM
tomynoks tomynoks is online now
Seaman Apprentice

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 36
Default Re: Adding a tilt button at the motor
Ok, I think I understand all that. One question I have is; where is the +12v power coming from? Is the red wire @ C1 supplying power to the relay or away from it? I ask because I hooked up the switch today using an old TT harness that has negative and positive leads hooked directly to the battery or through the keyed switch for power. I thought the red wire coming off the relay and connecting to the TT switch supplied power, but without the positive wire hooked to the battery, I have no power. When I tried the switch, everything works, but I'm a little confused. I don't mean to a pain-in-the-***, just want to make sure I do this right.

Thanks,

Tom