Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

[ehenry]

Re: Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

This freezer is leaving. Its so old it doesnt have a ground lug on the power cord. The new freezer is going to live in the shop next to the house. No GFCI outlet !! !

 

[sangerwaker]

Re: Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

Good deal EF. Glad to hear ya got it all under control, even if it wound up bein a little spendy!

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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With your old freezer not having a ground lead could be shocking if the compressor winding would short out to the case. Ouch! With your freezer being that old, you got your moneys worth. Tolerances within the compressor motor maybe going out. Then it takes more current to get it running.<br /><br />As far as codes go, it is only when a persons house burns down, or when you sell it is when it is a concern. I haven't ever seen the Eddy Electric Police patroling anywhere at anytime.<br /><br />My opinion is that GFI's is an expense that is over rated. When things are properly grounded there should not be any danger of getting shocked.<br /><br />Sangerwaker, your pretty close to the reason of the GFI tripping. However it is the loss/break of the neutral wire being able to return the current from the hot lead from the load. Otherwise if your power would go off, all the GFI's would trip.<br /><br />GFI's offer better protection of applicances that do NOT have a ground. This is the only area that I see where they are beneficial.

 

[ehenry]

Re: Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

it came from the factory with no ground lug on it. it was not taken off

 

[dhammann]

Re: Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

code does NOT require a GFI for stationary appliances. Article 210-8 (2) excepton no. 2

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: Electrical outlets w/breaker built in

EF I understand what your saying, the freezer is just old and that was all the code required then. The NEC is always changing to make things safer. (and make manufacturers/engineers money) ahh I didn't say that?<br /><br />I had a friend that had an old Craftsman 1/2" drill that didn't have a ground, however he became the ground and died when it shorted out. The guy that was using it told him that it was shocking him. So my friend being a macho azz grabbed it up on damp ground pulled the trigger. His muscles contracted increasing his grip making more current flow. Once the drill was unplugged, he was unconscience and died shortly afterwards. So it is important to have a good ground and not be the ground. That was 30 years ago. Man I'm gettin olddddddddd.

 

[levittownnick]

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There has been a lot of responses to this topic, some very good some poor.<br />Here are some facts: 1) GFCI/GFI do NOT respond to overloads or shorts. They only respond to leakage current to ground. 2)Regardless of the codes, GFCI/GFI are a great idea. I would rather die than have someone electricuted because I am cheap or thought they are too much trouble. GFCI/GFI should be used where ever it is possible to come in contact with a grounded surface or object even if no moisture is present. An exception is for life support equipment.<br />If the freezer etc. doesn't have a good ground, provide it with one. This could save a life.<br />If the GFCI/GFI frequently trips, look for the reason elsewhere, replaceing the GFCI with a new one is totally acceptable, but if the tripping still happens, it's NOT the GFCI.<br />If the freezer is put on a non GFCI circuit please be sure it is properly grounded.