ELTO 4hp?

[matt167]

I have a line on a Johnson 4hp, from the 70's. turns over " have not tried it " for $100. A somewhat local pawn/ junk seller has it and I caught the add for it. It looks like it's in good enough shape. Are parts for those expensive? Is it really an ELTO? For sure it's 4hp twin. It has the 'slider' for throttle, not the lever on the side. Not that it dates it or anything

 

[F_R]

Have no clue. Got any pictures or a model number, anything?

 

[matt167]

middle one. He only wants $25 for the black Evinrude but it's locked up. The 7hp Ted Williams I'm not interested in

 

[racerone]

The white 4 HP is a JOHNSON and appears to be an 82 model.-----The black one is a bargain at $25 and you can gain $100 of knowledge working on that.

 

[boobie]

Get a model #.

 

[racerone]

The black Evinrude appears to be a 97 / 98 model.

 

[matt167]

I figured I'd grab the black one for $25 as well. I know the white one is a Johnson, and ELTO means " Evinrude Light Twin Outboard " but Johnson made the same motors, I just don't know what Johnson called them

 

[racerone]

Johnson did not use " names " for motors.-----Other than the common term -----SEAHORSE ---on most of them.

 

[F_R]

It has been many years since ELTO motors were built. At least not since the 1960's that I know of, and those were made in Canada. I do have a 1958 Canadian ELTO. Same as U.S. Gale motors.

 

[matt167]

So are the later small twins an entirely different powerhead/ engine assembly? I notice the Johnson and much later Evinrude seem to share the same older style lower unit. Reason enough to spend another $25 on a parts motor, but perhaps it's not actually locked up hard anyway

 

[racerone]

The later small twins ( 1982 model 4 ) use a newer version of the old style block that came out around 1953.----Similar looking but not identical.------That 1998 or so 4 HP is also similar I believe.----Just different cosmetics / cowling / more plastic.

 

[matt167]

I grabbed them both. The Evinrude is locked up tight, but the Johnson turns free and has compression on both cylinders.

Both I think are considered 'deluxe' as they have a gear shift. I got both for $120

 

[matt167]

How does the shifter work on these? The Evinrude has a lot of movement, but the Johnson barely moves. It does seem to lock and unlock though.

 

[racerone]

They use a " wrap spring " type set up.-------Neutral and drive.------Turn motor around for reverse.

 

[matt167]

I knew it wasn't a full gear shift. How does the wrap spring work? tighten a clutch of sorts?

 

[racerone]

Quite a simple device with many industrial applications.------Used on Mercury outboards in the early and late 1950's.-----Johnson electric shift in the 1960's.-----Typewriters ( remember them ) as well.------Safety devices too on say an escalator.------Basically a spring that wraps tight around a drum.------Elegantly simple stuff.

 

[matt167]

Interesting. Tomorrow night, I might see if it's got any life in it

 

[JimS123]

Ole Evinrude started his first company in 1909. A few years later he sold the company and took an extended vacation. When he decided to return into the outboard business, the Evinrude management would not take him back, so he started his second company. When ELTO started taking over the market with its light weight aluminum outboards, Evinrude gave in and Ole took over again. Years later they bought Johnson out and the Outboard Motor Corporation (OMC) was founded.

The ELTO nameplate was abandoned after WWII, though the brand was still being sold in Canada until about 1960.

 

[matt167]

How easy should this thing start, and where do I set the lean/rich knob? all the way open?.

Oh and how do I pop the flywheel off if it has no spark? like a Briggs and Stratton with a flywheel knocker?

 

[F_R]

Wrap a rope a few turns around a tree. Now, holding one end or the rope with your fingers, you could pull the other end and twist that tree right out of the ground if you have a strong enough rope and can pull it hard enough. That is how it works in theory. That type of clutch has been used in outboards for many years. The differences are in how they hold the ends of the spring. Even the OMC Electric Shift motors work that way.