Employers going too far?

Bubba1235

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First, everyone PLEASE keep the politics and religion out of this thread.

Like most everyone I am seeing more and more people get the ax for voicing their opinions in public venues (Facebook, etc.) and the reasons given are a little scary, at least to me. Before going off on me let me say I do NOT think an employee should bad mouth the employer, management or any person in the company / organization. That has always been a firing offence in my book and still is as far as my thinking goes.

What I am talking about is people being fired because they don’t share the employers ideology over some or even the majority of non-work related issues. I don’t believe if you are working at say a John Deere factory that putting something on Facebook about the Zimmerman/Martin problem, one way or the other, should have anything to do with your job. I would say the same for someone working in a Catholic hospital as an orderly expressing their views on birth control. It has nothing to do with the job.

It seems that companies started taking over employees lives when the war on smokers began and it has marched forward into all aspects of non-work life to the point that doing a good job, promoting the company or business is no longer enough, now you must share your bosses ideology. As an example, a copy editor
at Essence magazine was let go because he said he supported efforts to prevent voter fraud. This is after 11 years of outstanding performance according to his direct supervisor. Again, it has nothing to do with the company, his job, or his performance, he simply didn’t share the same ideologies.

That is just one small example but I see them all over the place on a daily basis and even see where companies are now demanding that employees hand over their passwords to their private accounts that are not seen by the general public. My take, it’s gone way too far over the line. What do you think?
 

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Re: Employers going too far?

I guess I am not like "most everyone", because I do not see this happening, nor have I heard it happening from anyone I know.
 

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I guess I am not like "most everyone", because I do not see this happening, nor have I heard it happening from anyone I know.

Heck, it's even been on the evening news. Also, not hiring someone because of what they posted wherever........

I've heard about giving up passwords to the employers. That has definitely crossed the line. Big brother is watching......
 

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I agree. People, though (the victims), I believe are partially responsible, too. It's so common these days, that people put their whole lives out there for public view. I don't get it. Employers have a lot to lose, just like everyone. There comes a point, though, when everyone goes too far. Putting ones life and opinions out there for the world to see.. . Requiring access to ones personal life which they are advertising to the whole world... I heard a good analogy regarding a job interview in which a potential employer required Facebook and Myspace passwords... Would you like the keys to my house, too?


People are strange. We live in a world where not a whole lot is as it should be. I think it's rediculous that an employer would fire someone for differing views when it is unrelated to job description. Again, though, people are strange, and we don't know the whole story. There may very well be underlying causes factoring in. Don't get me wrong. I'm not taking sides, nor even developing an opinion as to whose right or wrong. I often feel I go way too far on iboats; which, by the way, is the only social media in which I participate.
 

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Heck, it's even been on the evening news. Also, not hiring someone because of what they posted wherever........

I've heard about giving up passwords to the employers. That has definitely crossed the line. Big brother is watching......
I've also heard of employers requesting "Facebook" ect passwords.
Not an employer I'd work for if they didn't except F U .
 

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New York is an employment "at will" state. An employee (non contractual) can quit anytime. Also an employer can release anyone for any non-discriminatory reason anytime. Some of the stories I've been part of and have knowledge of are frustrating to hear. "Your skillset currently does not mesh well with the direction the dept. is taking." is the buzz phrase I heard (and unfortunately had to use) for decades in Engineering/Manufacturing on Long Island as downsizing was the norm.

More and more employers look to eliminate the squeeky cubicle for any reason when reductions in force are necessary.

Some of the recent social media reasons are pushing the envelope in the courts as to what is reasonable.

Keeps the lawyers off the golf course.
 

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This is all because there are more workers than jobs, they know that they can get people. Right now I know of 2 maintance jobs that pay ok (over $20.00) an hour. These are because the guys doing these jobs were effective but the company felt that they could hire someone to replace them, and are tring. The policy is you don't like it, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
 

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I am of two minds on this. On the one hand, social networking (or whatever) is a scourge on society. On the other hand, who the heck would want to work for an employer who'd be so intrusive?
 

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I and friends have had discussion on this and I/we agree with CanWoodsman. If the person interviewing wants to give me access to their facebook and the CEO's then they can look at mine otherwise the interview is over I guess. My password is private and intended to be so and it will remain that way.
 

CanWoodsman

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It's not that anything I post would derail my chances but if they are willing to go that far how far else would they go?
If this post would derail my chances I wouldn't be happy working at a place like that anyways.
Unhappy workers don't make good employees.
What some employers fail to recognizes is that their policies cause the unhappy employees they complain about.
Notice I said "some employers" as far from all fall into this category.
 

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The sad thing is , that people are actually allowing these things to happen to get jobs. Last I heard , these intrusive policies are being challenged in court. Let's hope our privacy prevails.
 

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How is this different view/opinion reason for firing someone not considered discrimination worthy of a huge lawsuit by the fire'ee?
 

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Its hard to protect your idenity now using screen names on forums etc. Facebook makes it almost imposible. The best solution to dealing with a company that thinks it can put its nose into your personal life would be a long legal contract before you are hired. Good luck with that one...I am not saying labor unions are the answer but this is one of the things a good strong union can do for the worker to keep an unfair employer in check.Its sorta ironic that our local school system which has fired teachers for showing pictures of them having a beer with friends or saying one school is better than another on facebook will negociate for weeks with a long legal contract before it hires a superintendent......A double standard
 

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One concrete reason employers should not be allowed to do this is it allows them to discriminate against someone based upon political views, sexual preference or medical conditions. In most places that is illegal.

If you are forced to give your facebook password as a condition of employment and they read in a private email on there that you have a different political view than them...well that could be the difference between getting the job or not.
 

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I believe that employers as well as Big Brother are watching anyone and everyone that posts such things on Facebook and other forums where people say what they want about themselves and their thoughts/feelings. That is why I will Never have a Facebook page :D
 

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To expand on this, as an employer myself I do believe that what a prospective employee posts online for public viewing can and should be used when considering if they are the right fit for the job.

The difference is what is publicly available and what is expected to be private. Anything locked away behind a password is private in my books. Anything that is posted for public viewing is fair game.
 

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Heck, it's even been on the evening news. Also, not hiring someone because of what they posted wherever........

I've heard about giving up passwords to the employers. That has definitely crossed the line. Big brother is watching......

No doubt that it has happened, like the stories on the news, but my point is that I have not seen it happen in a direct sense.

I will admit, when I interview someone for a job I check out their linkedin and facebook pages, just to see how they portray themselves. If you are interviewing for a job, it is wise to "Google" your name, just to see what pops up.

I have no direct knowledge of people having to give up social networking and other private passwords to their employer, etc. Actually where I work, you are not even supposed to give up your company network password ( I helped write that policy :)).
 

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These cases merely prove my attitude about "social networking". Too many people expose their vulnerability by baring all. . .it is like they were running down main street naked. There is no dignity, protection or privacy.

I would never hire or retain someone who cannot maintain privacy and dignity.
 

CanWoodsman

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Although I agree that "someone who cannot maintain privacy and dignity" could be a liability to an employer who is to determine what is acceptable.
I'm sure some employers will (note some) use illegal criteria to base their decisions.
I don't like your political views, marital status, sexual preference, colour of your skin, place of birth, hunter/fisher as opposed to a PETA member ect.
Even if the person is not radical on their views it may not be hard to determine some of these if not most of these things by reviewing a lot of their posts.
This is the reason I post very little on most social media sites other than direct things to friends which can not be taken any way else but as I stated or not through public channels.
 

CanWoodsman

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I'm sure those who after a bad day at work (we all have them) go home & post on Facebook ect. "my boss was a arsehole today" are only setting themselves up for a hit.
 
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