Engine Hesitation/Fuel Issue - 1995 Crownline BR202

Rdog96

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1995 Crownline BR202 with a 305 V8 engine.

Background: Only got to use the boat once in summer 2019 so when getting it ready for this summer, was expecting some issues with fuel from 2018 still in the tank., I had added stabilizer but we are still talking almost 2 years.

It started up in the driveway but experienced pretty bad surging. With about 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, it would surge up to around 3000 RPM and then fall down to around 1000 before surging back up. It would do this as long as you let it run.

So I took my medicine and siphoned all the old gas out (or at least as best as I could tell). Rebuilt the carburetor and replaced the water separating fuel filter. After that, it runs great in the driveway on the muffs.

Went to the lake two times and it runs great for an hour to about 90 minutes and then starts to bog down. You'll be cruising along at 15 or 20 knots and then out of the blue, it will start to hesitate and surge again as it tries to stay running and occasionally you hear a puff of air coming from the engine. If you lower the RPMs to under 2000, it will stay running longer so you can limp your way back to the boat ramp, but still eventually dies. But it will start right back up immediately although if you give it a couple of minutes before you try to start it again, it seems to last longer before it dies the next time.

So I figured there still has to be water/old fuel at the bottom of the tank and pumped another 6 or 8 gallons off the bottom of the tank (assuming that the bad stuff would all settle to the bottom of the tank). I replaced the water separating filter again and also replaced the fuel pump and went yesterday and the same thing happened. Ran beautifully for about 90 minutes and then boom, bogged down.

I am out of ideas...I feel like I've replaced every component of the fuel delivery system except for replacing the tank itself. I didn't mention above, but I've added plenty of Seafoam to the tank too. I've pulled the small inline filter right at the front of the carburetor a few times too and it will occasionally have a small amount of varnish on it but not nearly enough to create an obstruction.

I would say to siphon all the gas out again, but the fuel in the tank has to be 95% fresh so I think it has to be varnish/sludge or something in the tank getting sucked up and causing a blockage that interrupts the fuel flow. But I don't understand why it always happens right about the same time...typically between 60 and 90 minutes of being out on the lake. And I can't duplicate it in the driveway...I've let it run for an hour or so in the driveway and it runs fine but obviously, it isn't under the kind of load it is under while on the water so I'm guessing that has something to do with it.

Any ideas though would be appreciated...thanks!
 

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Sounds like its the tank vent line

The fuel tank must be vented, otherwise as the fuel is pumped out the tank starts to draw a vacuum. With it taking 60 to 90 minutes to do this, is a real sign that is most likely the problem

To prove it out, when motor starts to bog, stop and open the gas cap and listen for air to be sucked in. If this happens then it would run again

Check the vent line and make sure there is no place where the line has a dip were fuel will settle in the dip

Your boat may not have the carbon canister

Tank vent and Reg.jpg
 

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OK. I don't see any dips in the line...the vent hose runs downward from the vent pretty steeply and then travels virtually horizontal along the edge of the bilge to where it attaches to the gas tank. I can't take it out this weekend but will see what happens next time and if it happens again, will open the fill cap and see if that makes the problem go away.

Thanks for the help...will report back when I have more info.
 

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Well, after a little longer to get some cosmetic things squared away (upholstery, etc), finally have gotten it out twice with the following results.

First, filled the tank with ethanol free fuel...we are down to around 1/2 tank now after the two trips below.

Trip #1 - When first starting out, even at full throttle, it wouldn't do more than about 2500 RPM and 10 MPH. Just felt like it was fuel restricted. After about 20 minutes of running that way, it started running great and ran great the rest of the day...couple of hours.

Trip #2 - Same thing happened at first...full throttle but just wouldn't do more than 2500 RPM and about 10 MPH...it didn't last this way as long though...maybe 10 minutes this time and then started running great and ran great for an hour or so. Then the original problem came back...cruising along nicely and then all of a sudden, the engine totally bogs down, and it struggles to stay running. Occasional puffing from the engine and eventually dies. Removing the gas cap did not result in a rush of air into the tank or fix the problem. It would stay running longer (but still eventually die) if you kept it under 1/2 throttle...if you tried to give it full throttle, it would bog down pretty quickly. And while trying to get it out of the water, it sat idling at the dock for 10 minutes with no problem but when engaging the propeller at idle speed, would repeatedly die.

I just keep coming back to the stale fuel or sucking up sludge from the bottom of the tank and that is blocking the fuel flow...because that's how it acts...fuel starved. I will continue to add Sea Foam and such and just try to burn through the rest of the junk or hope that continuing to add EFF will eventually make the ratio of bad fuel to good fuel low enough to not be a problem. But if anyone has any other ideas, I would appreciate it.
 
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There's probably chunks of sediment in the tank from when the gas went bad, that occasionally make it to the pick up tube in the tank. and cause a restriction. I don't think the gas in the tank is bad, you have all good new gas in there, but when the gas did go bad from sitting, the corrosion forms chunky orange looking gritty bits that are breaking loose in the tank probably when you hit waves while moving.
 

Rdog96

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That at least makes sense. And that's what I figured it was in some form.

Is there anything I can do to help it (short of replacing the tank) or do I just have to be patient and accept this behavior until all that gunk gets processed through?

Thanks!
 
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