Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

[captmello]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Sorry Trent, I know this is a real question but you have to admit that we are only asking the questions listed in the sticky at the top about how to ask a question.

We don't want to steer you in the wrong direction, If your building your own boat, the cost of fixing/adjusting/troubledhooting your ignition now is nothing.

That thunderbolt is a common setup. You may be able to find your problem here with the help of the pros but your being mysterious about it. I love the part about the little ol lady,

I don't think anyone here would go pull a used dist. out of a car or autoparts store and try it in their motor to see if it will run.

Is the distributor in the engine now? You ready to figure it out.

Here's what we know.

Glastron 210 engine. Not Volvo, Not Merc. crusaider? Perhaps.
Tbolt Ign. posible bad module, says auto parts store guy

Why don't you buy a new module? Thats simple.

Just a wag.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Its not the firing order... I know for certain I had it correct... I simply was not sparking in a squence pattern...

Ayuh,...

If the Module was Bad,.... There'd be No Spark, At All....

If you Are getting Spark, but at the Wrong Time,....
The Firing Order is Wrong.....
Plain,+ Simple....

Here's the diagnostic tree for the T-Bolt ignition system....

 

[Fishermark]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

As I stated once before... Its not the firing order... I know for certain I had it correct... I simply was not sparking in a squence pattern... This is due to the module either failing or the wiring not being coerrect...

The rotor in the distributor sends the spark out in the proper sequence. As the others have pointed out, the module has nothing to do with the order or sequence. It is just a trigger to fire the coil - whether you have points or electronic - either one is just a trigger.

I am only 23 and dont have a whole lot of knowledge in mechanical work... But I do have an eagerness to learn and try new things...

If you really do have an eagerness to learn, then you need to get the basics down. Here's a good page to look at the basics:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ignition-system.htm

 

[trent39]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Maybe "sequence pattern" was the wrong selection of vocabulary... What I am trying to say is there is a sort of repeating spark that the module puts off too the coil... Kinda like the breaker points ignition system works... The distributor tells the ignition module when to spark and the module tells the coil when to spark... Which then the coil causes the distributor to spark whichever plugs turn it is... Sorta like the game "telephone we all played as kids... I think I would like to put a points dype distributor on my motor to keep the price down and save from having to searching for a module that may not work... So if someone can provide me with a really good link of this points system and how it works I think I would be set!!!

 

[QSS]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

No you don,t need a marine distributor...(whats the difference)???.... thats is not true.. a small chevy is a small chevy (if thats what it is) the dizzy is the same.. don,t steer him on a different path again.. Trent try what i told you and see what happens.. thats me i,m done.. good luck trent.....

 

[Don S]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

No you don,t need a marine distributor...(whats the difference)???.... thats is not true.. a small chevy is a small chevy (if thats what it is) the dizzy is the same.. don,t steer him on a different path again.. Trent try what i told you and see what happens.. thats me i,m done.. good luck trent.....

You are SO WRONG!

Why don't you say it right, and tell him there is no difference that YOU are aware of. Because there are differnces

 

[Bondo]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

I think I would like to put a points dype distributor on my motor to keep the price down and save from having to searching for a module that may not work...

Ayuh,...

I posted the Diagnostic tree,....

Why would you rather spent more money, than actually Diagnose the Problem....
That's how you Learn how things Work.... Diagnostics....

 

[QSS]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

I,m not getting into some stupid argument with you Don we both no the dizzy in a stock small chevy will work in a boat with no dramas to test this problem for him.. But if you want to argue about it then pm me and i,l argue..

 

[captmello]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Maybe there is something wrong with the his current distributor that he doesn't want us to know. Maybe he dropped it and broke it. He is a man of mystery.

You don't want to change to a points setup. Since your a "youngster", you have never worked on a car with points right? Do you have the tools to properly set the dwell angle?

fix what you have, it really is the simple way. Bondo gave you the tree. Ask for help if you need it.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

I,m not getting into some stupid argument with you Don we both no the dizzy in a stock small chevy will work in a boat with no dramas to test this problem for him.. But if you want to argue about it then pm me and i,l argue..

Ayuh,...

What would Possibly lead anyone to believe Testing has anything to do with Buying another distributer,..??

Matter of Fact,.... I read it to be Exactly opposite of that thought line...

I'm Bettin' that whatever distributer Trent figures out how to make Work,...
Will be the 1 that stays with the boat, for the Long Haul.....

 

[QSS]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

You can get the guy and those around him killed.

By using a points dizzy.....i don,t think so... Do whatever Trent i only suggested this to help diagnose. everyone to there own opinion... its up to you at the end of the day. take all the info from everyone sit down and have a think about which way you want to go.. please someone close this post..

 

[QSS]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Or are you suggesting trying to find one from a junk yard, install it, set it up, test the engine and then take it out and throw it away and buy another and go through it all again?[/QUOTE]

I suggested him to fit up one to test the problem and thats it if he keeps it there then thats up to him. This is me offering my opinion to the ORIGINAL poster not to you little fella..

 

[Don S]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

I agree with bond-o that looks like a small ford Windsor to me.. need more info..

why don,t you try a second hand distributor for a small block chevy from a wreckers or something with breaker points ignition and wire back up that way. would be very easy to do. also very cheap.. you may have to just buy new points and a condensor.

this is a tipical breaker points ignition wiring diagram so have a look at this and see if it makes any sense to you trent you may have to blow it up to see... the wire going from the coil to the dizzy is 12 volts to the breaker points. if you are getting an old one from the wreckers try to get a complete one and have a look at the wiring in it for the condensor to points etc it is quite simple. this is all i could find quickly. View attachment 22450

The above posts are your replies (#11, 27, and 40) NO WHERE do you say to buy a used points type automotive distributor to use as a testing tool
You list your occupation as a mechanic at a marine dealer in Queensland AU.
Well, I am a mechanic here in the US, for a marine shop, and I can tell you for sure we don't go out and buy automotive point type distributors and install them in boats for our customers to find out why it won't run.
We have troubleshooting methods that work up here. We commonly find the OEM service manual and go from there. But never in my life would I suggest someone change the complete ignition system and wiring just to see if they could get it to run, and NEVER would I suggest the use of automotive for trial and error or to use on a perminant basis.
Not only are the automotive distributors not spark protected, but they also have a completely wrong advance curve for marine applications.
I sure hope the company you mechanic for does a better job for their customers than what you exhibit here.

 

[QSS]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

I sure hope the company you mechanic for does a better job for their customers than what you exhibit here.[/QUOTE]

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Gee Don are you sure you aren,t personally attacking me in this post cause that would be against the rules... Its ok i have broad shoulders.. Trent has PM me and i have helped him out without all the arguments. At least he is happy now and some light is at the end of the tunnell. as for my buisness and what i do i,m sure we aren,t realy aloud to disguss that here either but you can PM me if you want to have more of a dig at me.. thanks.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Engine Rebuild Ignition System Help!!!

Gee Don are you sure you aren,t personally attacking me in this post cause that would be against the rules...

Ayuh,...

After All the explanations to You, both in this thread,+ thru PMs,....

It appears that You just Don't Get It.....

I don't see a Personal Attack,...

As I explained in the PM of the other day,...
It comes down to using the Proper Parts,+ Techniques to Diagnose the Problem....
It's got Everything to do with throwing away money to put Inferior/ Unsafe parts onto it, in Hopes of fixing it...
Only to create an Unsafe repair for Trent...

You're the 1 who wishes to continue this by throwing Gasoline onto a Fire, that You started...

I wouldn't be surprized if You are Banned,...
Personally,...
I think that might be a Safe thing to do.....