ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

ssrrll

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good morning,<br />we have been searching for our 1st boat (we are first time boaters) at the brokerage places, on the internet, and in the classifieds for awhile now and seem to like the bayliner 2859 classic hardtop.<br />the (2005) new ones come with either a 7.4 bravo ii mercruiser or a 4.2 mercruiser diesel.<br />the used ones we have been seeing have various engines: some have the 7.4 bravo ii, but some come with the 5.7 bravo i, some have a 5.7 bravo ii. what is the difference between the bravo i and ii? and what will be the differences in performance and fuel economy between the 7.4L and 5.7 L engines.<br />the bayliner 2859 hardtop is 27' 9" long with a 9'9" beam and weighs 7500-7600 pounds. we will be doing most of our boating on lake erie.<br />thanks in advance for your response, sharlove
 

QC

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

Big boat for your first one . . . Any boating background at all?<br /><br />Bravo 2 is a little bit longer version that allows use of larger diameter propellers. Very few other differences. Bravo 1 should be fine. <br /><br />That is a big boat for a 5.7 anything. Although it will get on plane, it would take a while. The 7.4's etc. will make you much happier. Fuel economy will suffer slightly with the 7.4 if you use the extra speed. Possible better economy with the 7.4 if the 5.7 is as marginal as I think it would be.
 

mattttt25

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

agree it would be underpowered with a 5.7.<br /><br />i'd look into the diesel if you plan to run a lot.
 

magster65

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Welcome to iboats :) <br />The 2859 is a nice unit. I'm sure you've done your homework right? For your engine choices I'd personally go with the 7.4 as the 5.7 is just not enough power for a boat that size. The diesel would be a good choice as well as fuel costs continue to rise but it would have a slower cruising speed. As for the drives; the Bravo 1's use same props as an Alpha 1. It's just a bigger heavier drive. It is rated to handle up to 400hp (there abouts) while an Alpha is only rated up to 300hp. The Bravo 2 uses a Bravo 2 only prop. Those props tend to be larger diameter, meaning that they get big heavy boats up on plane better. You'll be fine with either package I'm sure. I'd lean towards the diesel myself, mainly because of resale value. I've noticed that... at least half the people that buy a hardtop eventually go to an express cruiser or a bridge boat later so keep that in mind. Keep us posted :)
 

ssrrll

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

neither of us has captained a boat, to my knowledge. my spouse learned to drive many types of large vehicles in the army years ago and has piloted a small plane in the past and likes to scuba dive. we wanted a boat big enough to do this with another couple on board as well... we were wanting a wide, stable boat since i have some tendancy toward seasickness, i hope this one is not too large for us.
 

QC

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I don't know the conditions on Lake Erie, but that will be a real handfull when the wind blows . . . ;) <br /><br />I totally agree on the diesel with one major qualifier. The 4.2 is available in ratings from 200 to 320 bhp. Be careful, as some believe that a diesel will make it a strong runner period. Fact is that horsepower is horsepower. This boat begs for 300+.
 

AntsGrady

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That is a way big boat for a first timer. It's not like driving a car, it has no brakes. I suggest taking a coast guard course and some type of driving lessons for you safety and the rest of us!!! :D
 

Solittle

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

I had a 27 1/2' Bayliner flybridge with a 5.7 hooked to a Volvo outdrive. It was grossly underpowered. It would get on a plane only with me and a lite fuel load.<br /><br />P.S. Sold it six weeks before hurricane Andrew payed our neighborhood a visit.<br /><br />By the way are you planning on trailering? If so you will need a huge truck, a triple axle trailer with disk brakes. Pulling mine was frightening.
 

ssrrll

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

how does a volvo outdrive compare to an alpha one, bravo i, and bravo ii outdrive?
 

scubatrooper

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Re: ENGINE SIZE/ SEARCHING FOR 1ST BOAT

My opinion, Volvo and Merc are both great products and are proven sterndrives. You will however, find many more dealerships that service Merc than Volvo and Merc parts are usually much easier to find (and I hear a little less expensive). Good luck!<br /><br />Steve
 
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