engine slips out of gear

pguest44

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I have recently attained a 1979 Arrowglass Cheetah and just put it out on the water. It needs a lot of work but is fun to tool around on the lakes with. One major problem is when im running it full throttle it will occasionally slip outta gear and into neutral and stay there until i actually pull it down into neutral. The engine is a johnson 100 (javelin) Any help is much appreciated!
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: engine slips out of gear

this could be 2 possible things. the easiest and cheapest, observe the shift lever at the engine,(engine off) while someone shifts it to forward by the control. ( you may have to turn prop, usually with your foot to get it to go into gear) back to neutral. now disconnect cable and move shift lever with your hand, it it goes further forward than with cable, adjust the cable. the worst senario is the clutch dog is damaged. find out before running again, as everytime it comes out of gear it is doing damage, and the quick revs, could blow your engine, as you are not suppose to rev over 1500 rpms, with it out of gear. welcome to iboats.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: engine slips out of gear

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are percisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are percisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those percisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those percisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

martysauer

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Re: engine slips out of gear

Just a thought - are you 100% sure it's not just your prop - it feels like you've come out of gear when your prop is worn and starts to slip...
 

pguest44

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Re: engine slips out of gear

Thanks for the help. The prop has a little bit of wear and tear on it but not enough to cause this big of a problem. Joe, how much and how hard is this to take care of by doing it myself? It sounds like it could be tough to a newbie with boat engines.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: engine slips out of gear

In order to do that job yourself, if it is indeed a lower unit problem, you would need a OMC factory manual speificly for that engine and mechanial expertise to some extent. It can get involved.

But first, check the prop as Marty suggests by doing the following.

Block the prop with a 2x4 between the prop and the cavitation plate, then put the engine into forward gear. Now, using a breaker bar amd the propersocket, apply pressure to the flywheel nut in a clockwise direction.

If you can turn the flywheel with the propeller blocked, obviously not turning, the prop hub is slipping and the prop will require either rehubing or replacing.
 

pguest44

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Re: engine slips out of gear

Alright sounds good, I will definitely check the prop first. Thanks for all the help everyone.
 

chrish

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Re: engine slips out of gear

a spun out prop can get you up to speed and then let go like it went into neutral.
 

F_R

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Re: engine slips out of gear

If you can spin it by turning the flywheel, there is no doubt about it, it slips. However, it takes a heck of a lot of torque to try to spin the hub by hand, up to the spec's that it is required to hold. Equal to the torque produced by 100 horses in fact. Speaking for myself, I'm not that strong. Even if I were, I would be severely overtorquing the flywheel nut.

Another way is to make a mark on the propeller (not on the propeller hub) and another mark on the prop nut, aligned with the first mark. Then run the motor till the suspected slippage occurs. Stop the motor and check the marks. If they no longer align, the hub slipped.
 
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