Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Sean Riddle

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I am planning on repairing my hull and stringers on my '62 Fabuglas Runabout with epoxy resin. I am quite sure polyester resin is the original resin used for laminating the hull and stringers. Will using epoxy resin over this be a sound repair. Will it adhere to the old polyester and be strong enough for structural and deck support? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks RR
 

Bondo

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

I am quite sure polyester resin is the original resin used for laminating the hull and stringers.
I'm Positive that is the case......<br />
Will using epoxy resin over this be a sound repair. Will it adhere to the old polyester and be strong enough for structural and deck support?
Yes..<br />And,<br />Yes......<br />But,<br />Proper Sanding,+ Prep is Still Very Important...........
 

petrolhead

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Generally epoxy over polyester is fine, as Bondo says as long as you prep it properly, sand thoroughly to key the polyester and degrease with acetone or panel wipe.<br />Polyester over epoxy rarely works well.
 

ThomWV

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Please let me make a suggestion to you, other than to do all this work in a well ventelated area. If you don't already have one go buy yourself a good quality, but not overly expensive, small (4 1/4") angle grinder. It will become your most valuable tool for this project and a good one shouldn't cost you more than about $80 at the most if you look around. Pick up a hard rubber backing disk for it (it will probably come with metal grinding wheels, but you can use other wheels) and the grinding disks that look like coarse sand paper. Get yourself some 36, 50, and 80 grit disks for it, any Home Depot or Lowe's will carry them for a couple of bucks.<br /><br />Prep your area with the 36 grit wheel, wash it, and just befor you lay up glass wipe it down with clean rags and acetone (remember that ventilation). Your bonds will be stonger than a polyester to polyester bond would have been. Also, and this is an important one, anytime you apply epoxy over top of epoxy if it has been over 24 hours between layers you need to first wash with soap and water and then grind the top of the old stuff before you put on a new. If you do not do that you will not get a good bond because of the amine blush that will form on the top of the earlier layer. Washing and grinding removes the blush and will give you a good surface for a mechanical bond.<br /><br />Thom
 

Sean Riddle

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Thanks Thom , petrolhead , Bondo !!! You guys have been a great help. Sorry, but I have one more ,( prob one of many), question .I have most of the deck off and have found a lot of mold/mildew staining covering a good portion of the fiberglass under the decking. Will it be ok to clean with clorox and water or simple green and allow to dry before I do the grinding and glass layup? Thanks Thom for the advice on the angle grinder. When I told my pop I was pullin the deck off the old girl thats the first thing he told me to get out of the shop, :) Thanks again , you guys are truly a great help to a Rookie boatbuilder!!!!
 

BillP

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

You may need to sand the epoxy sooner than 24 hrs. The brand I've been using blushes immediately.
 

Evinrude Boater

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

What is amine blush and how will I know what it looks like?
 

18rabbit

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Also look at a variable-speed angle drill (a.k.a. close-quarter drill) and 3M’s Roloc system for the medium. Similar idea as a grinder but smaller, lighter, easier on the arms. Most fg work can be done with a 3-inch Roloc. Also available in 2-in (great for tight areas) and 4-in (seldom used).
 

Sean Riddle

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Hey Classic!!! Amine blush is a waxy, iridescent film that can form on the surface of epoxy after the curing process. Epoxies vary in cure time and whether you use a slow or fast hardener affect the development of Amine blush. Humidity also contributes to the development of Amine blush. Amine blush can show within 24-72 hours of cure time.If you have Amine blush it is usually recommended to wipe the area down with soapy water ,dry and then sand lightly with 220 grit before additional layers are applied. Hope this helps!!! RR
 

Evinrude Boater

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Thanks Riddlers Ride,<br />I'm learning this as I go. I layed up my first reinforcement on the keel of my boat. The keel was cracked down the center so I'm laying a layer of mat on the inside before building up the outside. I need to cut new wood stiffners to lay in the keel so I might see some blush by time I'm ready to lay another layer. I updated my photos tonight.<br /> Boat Restoration
 

Sean Riddle

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Don't feel like the Lone Ranger Classic , I am doin the same thing right now on a '62 Fabuglas Runabout , been in my family for 4 generations. Just hope I can get through before Old Man Winter shows up :eek: Thanks for the link , Great lookin project boat!!! I liked the deer too, I feed about 15 wild ones in my front yard all year long. they will come up with me on my porch. Great fun to watch :) !!!Good Luck and let me know if I can be of further help, RR
 

BillP

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

Where are you guys getting 24-72 hrs for blush? Every resin I've seen produces blush immediately as it gets hard. I'm not saying it doesn't happen hrs later but would like to read up on it.
 

petrolhead

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

WEST System's recommendation is to wash down any "fully cured" epoxy before recoating. I take that to mean any epoxy that has lost its tackiness, however long it has taken for that to happen.<br />When I sheathed my Glen-L Squirt with glass/epoxy the second coat of resin wasn't applied in most cases until the following day, but I wet sanded and washed down any resin that wasn't tacky.<br />The appearance of amine blush is very dependent on temperature, humidity, and cure time, but I've never known it to suddenly appear long after initial cure.
 

Rudderman

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Re: Epoxy over Polyester resin?

I've had the same experience with west's epoxy. Blush appears when you can still dent it with your fingernail.
 
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