Ethanol gas content query...

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relocyo

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I was pumping gas in my truck today and read a sticker that said "contains up to 10% ethanol" I was wondering is that a generic sticker for most all states? Here in florida its on all pumps, I havent been out of state in a while and I was wondering does the 10% number represent a fairly high number or would that be considered a low percentage of ethanol? Just curious I suppose... Thanks...
 

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Re: Ethanol gas content query...

it's the standard now. typically regular grade with either have 10% or none. Keep in mind that the 10% is an estimate and the actual percentage can fluctuate wildly, usually due to errors in mixing.
 

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it's the standard now. typically regular grade with either have 10% or none. Keep in mind that the 10% is an estimate and the actual percentage can fluctuate wildly, usually due to errors in mixing.

Ok gotcha... Is 10% a fairly high amount, assuming it is 10%?
 

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That is the alleged "max" percentage sold in that gas. You are fine just NEVER use E-85 or E 15 in the boat
 

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Here are a few facts about ethnol that you may want to consider.

ETHANOL AND VAPOR LOCK

Short description:
When the engine compartment becomes hot either by climate or idling, and you use ethanol-blend gasoline it can cause excessive vapors in your fuel line and starve the engine of fuel. The engine can run poorly or stop and will not run until the fuel condenses.

THE PROBLEMS

Vapor Lock

Fuel containing 10% ethanol is called E10. If you have ethanol in your gas, you run the risk of creating vapor lock because of excess vapors.

Ethanol ?boils? at 87?F (at normal atmospheric pressure) and turns from a liquid to a gaseous state. By comparison, most automobiles have their fuel pump in the gas tank, so the whole system remains under pressure unlike boats whose fuel tanks are vented. In a closed system, the higher pressure raises the flash point of the ethanol reducing the amount of vapor that is produced. In addition, most automobile fuel lines are outside of the vehicle allowing them to stay cooler.

Since most boat fuel lines are in the enclosed space (sometimes even insulated) of the engine compartment, normal ventilation will not cool the fuel significantly enough to avoid the potential problems of vapor lock. Furthermore, since the fuel pump in a boat is mounted on the engine (versus a car where the pump resides in the tank) the action of the pump can reduce pressure in the tank to below atmospheric pressure and further reduce the flash point.

Boat engineers are aware of this problem and are reducing the likelihood of this occurring by reducing the suction required by the fuel pump, minimizing hose fittings and bends, and including a quality anti-siphon valve. In existing boats, fuel lines and filters should be kept as low in the boat as possible and tank vents should be cleaned and open.

Heat Soak

Most boats have ?forced? ventilation. Air moves through the engine compartment when the boat moves forward. Heat soak happens after you have been at high RPM and then stop or drift on idle for a while. Because of heat soak the engine compartment will rise to a point where the ethanol will boil

THE CURE

To prevent vapor lock (i.e. boiling ethanol):

Make sure the engine compartment has adequate ventilation.
Relocate fuel lines to be low in the bilge. (The bilge is cooler because it is in direct contact with the water.)
Monitor the engine compartment temperature.
Add (or turn on) engine room blowers.
Keep the tank vent clean and unobstructed.
ETHANOL, WATER AND YOUR FUEL SYSTEM

PROBLEMS

Ethanol is a solvent and can damage fiberglass tanks. It can dissolve old sludge in tanks which mixes with the gasoline and clogs filters. This can cause the engine to run very poorly.

Since ethanol molecules bond with water molecules the fuel can be contaminated by water. Fuel/water separators (filters) are supposed to separate out this water, but the amount of water trapped by the ethanol can quickly overwhelm the filter and allow water to pass through to the engine. Moist air enters the fuel tank by the tank vent (remember automobiles do not have this problem due to their closed system designed to help reduce emissions). Water can also settle to the bottom of the tank and cause the engine to run poorly and corrode fuel system components especially if the tank is not kept close to full.

E10 fuel is not as stable as past formulas. Older formulations would stay ?fresh? for about 6 months. E10 can go stale in about 2 ? 3 weeks. This is not a problem for an automobile with a 15 gallon tank, but if you have a boat with a 250 gallon tank, watch out!

THE CURE

The best way to keep water from the engine is to install a good water separator with a 10 micron filter to remove sludge and other contaminants. It is also crucial to drain the filter and check it more frequently than you may have in the past.
Volvo Penta recommends adding Sta-bil ? to the fuel system. This must be done with new fuel. The Sta-bil will not treat stale fuel.
 

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Re: Ethanol gas content query...

Here are a few facts about ethnol that you may want to consider.

E10 fuel is not as stable as past formulas. Older formulations would stay ?fresh? for about 6 months. E10 can go stale in about 2 ? 3 weeks. This is not a problem for an automobile with a 15 gallon tank, but if you have a boat with a 250 gallon tank, watch out!

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B as in B -- S as in S. It doesn't matter if you have a six gallon can or 250 gallons. E10 will not go "stale" as you call it in 2-3 weeks. Ask a person who has used E10 since 1997. Do you need to use minimal precautions? Yes. Fuel system treatment (as you should have done prior to E10) and a water separating fuel filter.
 

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Re: Ethanol gas content query...

it's the standard now. typically regular grade with either have 10% or none. Keep in mind that the 10% is an estimate and the actual percentage can fluctuate wildly, usually due to errors in mixing.

It isn't a standard, at least not a federal one... Ironically lots of ethanol production in my state, and almost every single pump is 87/89/91 octane, with only 89 octane being e10 gas. 87 and 91 are still 100% gasoline.

*edit, I think i mis-read what you had meant. E10 is more or less a standard grade of gas, not that ethanol content is standard in all gas*
 

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B as in B -- S as in S. It doesn't matter if you have a six gallon can or 250 gallons. E10 will not go "stale" as you call it in 2-3 weeks. Ask a person who has used E10 since 1997. Do you need to use minimal precautions? Yes. Fuel system treatment (as you should have done prior to E10) and a water separating fuel filter.

I should have stated that these are not my words, but from this link. Click Here

I will attest to the findings that are on this site and many other ones out there. I work for a company that supplies many items to refineries around the world that seperate crude. I have been here for over 16yrs and I see the results and findings. So whenever I see the topics of ethonal blends come up on forums there seems to be so many opinions about it and a lot of hear say. I cannot post refinery results from testing but I can tell you that the goal set are to make petro cheaper and you know why....I usually dont post on fuels cause everyone thinks they know it all. But I thought I would add a touch of insight here and failed. So I will never discuss it again......good day:)
 

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I think Maryland just approved a requirement for E15.
 

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Lordy, guess I'd better just scrap my jeep, streetrod and boat since they all sit with tanks full of e10 for 6 months or more at a time and I don't use any snakeoil in the gas.
 

Airwolf9090

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And don't forget most cars/trucks built with carbs that have the fuel pump on the engine like my old Isuzu P'UP 2.3L or my old 84 Trans-Am that had the 305HO
Lordy, guess I'd better just scrap my jeep, streetrod and boat since they all sit with tanks full of e10 for 6 months or more at a time and I don't use any snakeoil in the gas.
 

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Some marinas sell "ethanol-free" gas. I guess that's their justification for selling you gas at $4.90 a gallon.
 

Brewman61

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You can also in some areas get non ethanol gas at non marina gas stations. A couple stations near me sell it. You're not supposed to use it in regualr vehicles, just "specialty" engines, like boats, lawn mowers, etc........ It's not as expensive as the non ethanol gas at our marina, but it's about $0.50/gallon more than our regular E10 stuff.
FWIW, I've been careless a lot, and have left (gasp) untreated E10 in my pressure washer, snowblower, lawn mower, as well as the gas can. So far haven't been bitten by rotting gas. At least not that kind...................
 

relocyo

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Re: Ethanol gas content query...

:redface:I think im more confused now... :facepalm:
 

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Re: Ethanol gas content query...

I love how people become instant experts by believing what they read and re-post from the internet. Do your reseach as this post is loced along with our dozen's and dozens of other threads.
 
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