Ethanol vs Non-Ethanol

[Another retired guy]

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everyone agree?

Sounds good to me
Now, how many "agree" votes do we need to reach a consensus???

 

[PuddleFisher]

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So some of you have access to non ethanol gas? I sure havn't been able to find any around here.

 

[Another retired guy]

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So some of you have access to non ethanol gas? I sure havn't been able to find any around here.

Where is "here" ???

 

[PuddleFisher]

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Northern Indiana... ie: the corn belt

 

[dingbat]

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any will say (like me) that untreated or old E10 is a problem but it can be managed with treatment and use. everyone agree?

I don't treat. I use

 

[tr4a]

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I have a couple of old British sportscars, and my mechanic said never ever use ethanol fuel in an engine that is not used regularly. Using ethanol will even damage a regularly used engine, it will just take longer because the fuel moves through the system quickly and doesn't sit. It will eat the rubber out of you fuel system at an alarming rate. Here is a link to a website that lists all the stations in the US and Canada that offer ethanol free gas. More and more are added each week.

Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

 

[QC]

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Even when one of these threads tries to go well, it just can't . . :facepalm:

 

[GA_Boater]

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Even when one of these threads tries to go well, it just can't . . :facepalm:

Time for another sip, but I'm moving up to 101. Next step Everclear. :doh:

 

[QC]

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I am so gonna buy me some Moonshine soon. Lot's of options showing up. Last week I got some double Oaked Woodford Reserve. Now that is some awesome ethanol!!

 

[PuddleFisher]

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That Woodford is pretty good stuff. Had some homeade apple pie last week at a party. Pretty good stuff. Anyway checked that link and the nearest ethanol free source is still 35 miles one way. Forget that. If I replace my fuel lines ( wich probly need replaced anyway) how do i know what im buying is ethanol safe or whatever?

 

[QC]

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See and I don't like the standard Woodford. A little harsh. For reasonable price I like Buffalo Trace. My boss bought me the Double Oaked, I usually wouldn't spend $50 on a bottle, but it renewed my respect for Woodford. With that said though, the regular Woodford messes with the plastic coating on my battery cables.

 

[JimS123]

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I have a couple of old British sportscars, and my mechanic said never ever use ethanol fuel in an engine that is not used regularly.

I have an old American car (1980) and I don't listen to any mechanics. Most don't know how to change points, nor even know what they are.

Mine is also not used regularly and has been on E10 for years. I fill the tank up in the Spring.....only 1 fillup per year Over the last 8 or 10 years I have only put about 60-100 miles on each year. Starts right up, runs like a top...always! Rebuilt the carb, new dist cap and wires and plugs about 15 years ago. Everything else is original.

So, what's up with that?

 

[Another retired guy]

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That Woodford is pretty good stuff. Had some homeade apple pie last week at a party. Pretty good stuff. Anyway checked that link and the nearest ethanol free source is still 35 miles one way. Forget that. If I replace my fuel lines ( wich probly need replaced anyway) how do i know what im buying is ethanol safe or whatever?

As long as it's not 40 year old stock, any fuel hose sold now is safe to use!
Forget the ethanol issue ( except of course the drinkable stuff ) - put gas in your boat and have fun.

 

[Mel Taylor]

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My next door neighbor has always been careful to never run any gasoline with ethanol in any of his vehicles or equipment. Last week he ran out of gas for his boat while fishing and had to borrow some gas from another boater in order to get back to the dock. Unbeknownst to him the borrowed gas contained 10% ethanol. Seven hours later he collapsed and died of a heart attack. As far as I'm concerned that's proof positive of the dangers of running gas with ethanol in your boat.

 

[Scott Danforth]

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Here are my observations.

When I was in the portable power generation market, Cummins lobbied against ethanol in the fuel for small gensets. To this date, they still do. When I was in the marine market, the NMMA was lobbying against ethanol in boats. To this date, they still lobby against it. When I was in outdoor power OPEI was lobbying against ethanol in boats. To this date they still lobby against it.

Ethanol is a negative energy fuel costing more BTU's to process than it produces.

We used aviation fuel when testing every snow blower and lawn mower because it evaporated clean and didnt leave any residue in the tank, lines, or carbs.

When I let a small engine at home sit with ethanol in the fuel system, I have to pull the carb and fuel system apart to clean it. When I use Aviation fuel, I do not have that problem. When I use non-ethanol premium I do not have the problem either.

Ethanol in fuel makes our food cost more. The only people benefiting from ethanol are the corn lobbyist. over farming fields for corn for ethanol requires heavy doses of chemicals so Monsanto makes money.

Florida doesnt have many ethanol free pumps, even less with premium so I'm forced to use the ethanol fuel.

I routinely sample test my fuel for percentage of ethanol. if over 10%, I no longer buy from that station. To date, I have excluded 15 fuel stations in Florida.

Ethanol is here due to lobbyist, we are stuck with that. I prefer to drink my corn.

Now that the horse has been beating again, I am off my soap box.

 

[JimS123]

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Here are my observations.

When I was in the portable power generation market, Cummins lobbied against ethanol in the fuel for small gensets. To this date, they still do. When I was in the marine market, the NMMA was lobbying against ethanol in boats. To this date, they still lobby against it. When I was in outdoor power OPEI was lobbying against ethanol in boats. To this date they still lobby against it.

Ethanol is a negative energy fuel costing more BTU's to process than it produces.

We used aviation fuel when testing every snow blower and lawn mower because it evaporated clean and didnt leave any residue in the tank, lines, or carbs.

When I let a small engine at home sit with ethanol in the fuel system, I have to pull the carb and fuel system apart to clean it. When I use Aviation fuel, I do not have that problem. When I use non-ethanol premium I do not have the problem either.

Ethanol in fuel makes our food cost more. The only people benefiting from ethanol are the corn lobbyist. over farming fields for corn for ethanol requires heavy doses of chemicals so Monsanto makes money.

Florida doesnt have many ethanol free pumps, even less with premium so I'm forced to use the ethanol fuel.

I routinely sample test my fuel for percentage of ethanol. if over 10%, I no longer buy from that station. To date, I have excluded 15 fuel stations in Florida.

Ethanol is here due to lobbyist, we are stuck with that. I prefer to drink my corn.

Now that the horse has been beating again, I am off my soap box.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. However, I don't understand the comment about the small engine / carb cleaning. My old lawnmower is 30+ years old. I bought a new one a few years ago, so this old rusty thing was sent to my camp. It gets used maybe 4 times a year and it still starts 1st pull and runs like a champ. Ditto for my snowblower, weedwackers, etc. We've had e10 for many years where i live and I just can't find any issues anywhere. The last carb job on my old car was 15 years ago!

 

[NYBo]

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I routinely sample test my fuel for percentage of ethanol. if over 10%, I no longer buy from that station. To date, I have excluded 15 fuel stations in Florida.

If the pumps are labelled for "up to 10%", do your fellow citizens a favor and report the stations to the state. They are breaking the law.

 

[Campylobacter]

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So that is the reason why ethanol gets a bad rap, even problems that have nothing to do with it are blamed on it! In this case, that wasn't ethanol, those lines didn't stand up to gasoline! It was a well known problem with seadoo's prior to 2001, basically if you have gray fuel (or oil) lines that are tempo brand, you need to get them out ASAP, they will gum up eventually.

DIY - Fuel System Cleaning

How To Change The Fuel Lines On A Sea Doo - How2DoThat.com

Well, the grey lines are long gone, and the ski runs great on ethanol-fuel. Maybe because the grey lines started to deteriorate about the same time ethanol replaced MBTE is why ethanol is blamed, at least on the seadoo forums.