Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

bjones2

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Sorry if this is a previously covered topic, I couldn't find anything exactly like it.<br /> I have a 1997 15 HP Evenrude 4 stroke. I use it quite often, but only for short distances (I've only filled gas tank twice since it was new.<br /> 99% of the time, when I go to use it, it starts up very quickly. However recently, if I run it at high speed for just a few minutes, it will often instantly cut off, as if the key were turned off, ie no rough running or sputtering, just instantly off. When I try to restart it, it will crank fine, but won't start. I keep trying to start it, for maybe 5 or more minutes, then it starts right up, as if nothing was wrong, and usually works fine. Also, I can generally run the thing at low speed for long periods of time, and it runs fine.<br />Also, if I run for a period of time, then stop for an hour or two, I often have trouble starting, but if I wait overnight, it starts right up.<br /> I thought it might be getting a gulp of water in the gas, so I completely drained the gas tank and put fresh gas in, but the behavior was the same. I noticed that the gas bulb doesn't always pump up firm, and I saw a response to another post suggesting that migh mean a sticking carburator float valve, so the last time the motor cut out, disconnected the fuel line, and the thing started right up.<br /> I had originally thought that I wasn't getting fuel, but now I'm wondering if I'm getting too much fuel and it's flooding.<br /> Is it possible that a stuck float valve would cause the engine to cut out instantly when running at high speed, but not when running at low speed? I'm not even sure if my motor even has a carburator / float...I'm having a hard time recognizing anything on these new motors. I've worked on older motors, but I'm intimidated by this thing. <br /> I've had problems in the past, with mice chewing through wires when stored in the winter. Is there a likely culpret for a wiring problem that would cause the symptoms I described? <br />thanks.
 

Walker

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

First thing I'd check is all the ground wires on the engine. Make sure they are clean and tight.<br />You need to test for spark when the engine acts up. May not be an electrical problem but sure sounds like one.
 

bjones2

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Thanks. I guess I'm going to have to find a wiring diagram for the thing. I'll take my VOM out to the boat tomorrow and check out the wiring between the motor and the key switch. Thanks.
 

tommr

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Make sure your fuel tank vent is open and clear.
 

bjones2

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Thanks. I'm not sure if it is clear, but while trying to restart, I tried it with the cap completely off, but perhaps it takes a while to recover.<br /> The pickup tube in my gas tank is a long polyethlylene tube with a wire screen down on the bottom. Weird thing is that when I pulled this out, it held a head of about 6" of gasoline until I shook it, although gas seemed to flow through it fine when I drained the tank. Another weird thing though, is when I drained the tank, I had to do it via continuing to pump the priming bulb. Ie I was unable to establish a siphon for some reason, even though I had the end of the tube lower than the level in the tank, and I couldn't find any leaks. Only thing that makes sense on that is a leak where the poly tube or rubber line connect at top of tank, but I don't think a leak there would lead to the symptoms I'm observing, but I could be wrong. <br />Thanks.
 

bjones2

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Wanted to report on progress on above. I checked electrical connections, and couldn't find a problem, however I just yesterday got a manual with a partial circuit diagram, so it might help.<br /> Day before yesterday, I changed the spark plugs on the thing. Plugs looked good, but the gap had widened to well over specs. Unfortunately, while changing plugs, I noticed a hissing noise, and found that one of the pontoons on my pontoon boat had sprung a leak, so I had to pull the boat out of the water. On the way to the boat ramp, the motor ran fine, with a couple restarts. Unfortunately I won't be able to further troubleshoot the motor problem until leak has been fixed.<br /> In doing a bit of reading, however, my comment in the last message about being confused about not being able to establish a siphon, and observing a "head" of fuel in the takeup tube, seems a bit dumb, as now I realize that the tank had an anti-siphon device on the top of the tube. I think this was functioning properly. If the problem comes back after I get the boat back, I'm going to focus on fuel filter/fuel pump/fuel float valve. Thanks for the suggestions so far.
 

fireman57

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Go to boat repair and do a search on fixing your pontoon.
 

bjones2

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Thanks. I'll do that. However I took the boat to a welder and got it repaired. I'm still trying to figure out the cause though. BTW, in case anyone is interested, <br /><br /> http://wejones.ftdata.com/pontoon59.jpg <br /><br />is what the leaking area looked like when I pulled the boat out of the water. Weird corrosion. Looks like a failed welding attempt, but it's not, this boat has never been repaired before. But obviously not random electrolysis either with that rectangular shape. Got it all welded now, and back in the water. <br /> Ran the motor a bit yesterday, and didn't have any problem with it. So perhaps my problem was solved by the new spark plugs, although I still suspect that there is something more to it. I now have a manual to help troubleshooting, but until it happens again, I can't do much more. <br /><br />thanks
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Nah...<br /><br />I reckon the leaking pontoon caused the motor problem, and the welding fixed it!
 

Hunky Dory

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

It's the twilight zone for sure!<br /><br />Your "corrosion" is right up there with UFOs and crop circles. Stillfishing must be right...
 

djzyla1980

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Check the primer bulb if it acts up again... fuel line might be pulling air instead of fuel. Have you tried to repump the bulb before starting it again.... as I type this it almost sounds like an electrical component is getting hot and stops workin, when it cools down it fires again...
 

bjones2

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Re: Evenrude cuts out while running, won't restart

Went out for a 4 hour boat ride last night, with multiple stops and starts. I had no problems. ???<br /><br /> Re primer bulb. When I was having the problem, the primer bulb was often soft, and seemed like it just had air in it, however now it seems firm, so perhaps in my troubleshooting, which involved removing the pickup tube in the gas tank for inspection, draining the gas tank by pumping it with the primer bulb, and replacing the fuel with clean fuel fixed that problem by washing out the priming bulb somehow. However I DID continue for a while to have the problem after doing all the above, and the problem only ended when I replaced the spark plugs. I've done several things, none of which seemed to find the cause, but now I'm not having the problem, so maybe the problem was a combination of several things. As you say... it's running OK now, so I'll be boating until it acts up again.<br />Thanks. <br /><br /> Oh, re corrosion, the guy who was boating with me yesterday is a welder, and I showed him the picture, and he is convinced that it was a weld which used the wrong alloy although the welder that fixed the boat claimed that this wasn't possible (he said nothing sticks to aluminum but aluminum, so the wrong metal couldn't have been used), so I don't know who to beleive. If it WAS a failed weld, it must have been done at the factory, and was such a good job that there was no visible trace of it for 7 years. <br /> <br />Thanks.
 
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