proaudioguy
Petty Officer 2nd Class
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I know some of you won't want to read the boring parts so you cna just skip ahead to my precise questions below.
Here's the boring back story.....
My dad had this boat (an 88 Stratos 200DC) running like a top. It had been mostly stored for the last few years he owned it so little over 3 years ago he brought it over here and gave it to me. My mom said it needed an impeller because it had been sitting for a while, and since I knew absolutely nothing about 2 cycle outboards, I left it alone until I had time to work on it. While it sat, the brand new seats on the boat got moldy, the spare tire rotted and the wheel rusted, etc etc. We have been cleaning it up and getting it ship shape for a few months. The boat had no cover. I have also learned this was not the original engine. My dad bought the boat from an employee of a marina or boat dealership. They couldn't get the original engine to run right, said they had this one with a recently rebuilt power-head, and swapped it out. They moved all the cable to the starboard side (in the way of the dive platform). The wiring is a real mess. I intend to replace every piece of copper in the boat, including all gauges, but that will wait. There are even unterminated wires in the engine. Still the boat ran fine when he dropped it off. He's owned a lot of boats so I take his word for it. I changed the impeller and the old one was perfect so I guess we could have had it on the water the day after it came to live here. We got a good start on everything and took the boat to the Keys for vacation. I figured I'd be better off putting the money into the boat rather than renting one down there for 3 or 4 days.
So far we have cleaned the fuel tank. It had been used with premix with the old engine. I learned only recently my dad had run external tanks with the current engine. The tank had lots of gas in it. I thought I got it all out before the trip but turns out I didn't come close. I topped off the tank in Miami and put in the Enzyme stuff in there. I used a new fuel filter at well. I couldn't get the boat on plane no matter what I did. Finally on a whim, I pushed in the choke deal (the start/ run KEY) and the boat took off. This leads me to believe the carbs are messed up, probably from varnish. I picked up some seafoam and loaded them up as directed. Lots of smoke. Took the boat out and it tried to go a few times without the choke in. It eventually got to the point it didn't want to go anymore and also sucked the primer bulb flat. Turns out the screen on the gas tank pick up was loaded with crud. I cleaned it up best I could and it would go again, still not all out, but definitely better. I spent the last several days removing, cleaning and replacing the fuel tank. I replaced the fuel lines (still on the old filter). I cleaned the pickup tube and screen really well, looks almost new. I filled up the fuel filter with Seafoam and ran it, let it sit over night, and filled it up again, took the boat to the ramp and put 89 Octane Ethanol free gas in there. I put almost a can of seafoam in there, about half a gallon of Xylene, left over from cleaning the gas tank, and about 35 gallons of gas in there. When I started it up, it took a few tries to get it going, then the smoke show for about 5 minutes. I took it out on the lake and it just wouldn't go. It sounds like it's running OK but full throttle just won't give enough RPM under load to get on plane. I tried using the choke and that helped a little. It also had a second of really increased RPM a couple times so I can only assume there is still a lot of crap in the carbs and I need to pull them. I am afraid I am going to have a hard time getting the carbs back together and installed with the same settings they have now after tearing them down so any tips or hints are greatly appreciated. The water runs from the peep and the boat isn't using a lot of oil as far as I can tell. If I left anything out, please let me know. Glad to answer any more questions.
HERE IS WHERE THE QUESTIONS START.......
The engine is labeled on the mount at the aft of the transom Model E140GXE8R Serial # G 02548659 but it was a little hard to read due to wear and tear. I couldn't find any other labels.
I have the decoder sheet printed up and cannot decode the year and model. The E140 part is obvious, after that, I am unclear. I know it's an Evinrude 140 V4 with a VRO based on the various logos but other than that I do not know.
The engine has 4 single barrel carbs. What do I need to do to clean them up? I need part numbers and explicit instructions. I have 2 manuals. One is Clymer, the other is Seloc. They read like stereo instructions, but one is definitely better than the other. The link on this site http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=309188 to changing the impeller with all the photos blows away BOTH books and I wish I had seen it before doing the job.
I'd also like to replace the entire throttle assembly and all the wiring harnesses. I need part numbers for all that. The searches for complete wiring harness for Evinrude 140 have not provided the numbers I need. I suppose I could re-wire everything rather than use a harness, but I'm a firm believer that if the cost is just a little more for the correct part, I'll be better off in the long run going that route, and my time is money so I don't want to spend too much of it reinventing the wheel. The wiring is actually the only thing I could do from scratch given a proper schematic and it's also one of the easiest things to handle with an appropriate harness.
I also need recommendations on what gauges I should buy. I intend to replace all of them and the dash panel they are mounted in. The cutting is easy for me, just tedious. I'd like to purchase all the gauges BEFORE starting the gauge project so I can lay them all out.
I also need a GPS and depth finder. I have read some things about dual frequency. It's very important to me to have accurate depth info BEFORE I hit the bottom. I intend to be moving fast in 3-5ft of water at times, and the depths can change dramatically over a short distance with no apparent warning. I want the GPS to be able to chart a course that is appropriate, not just a straight line. I'd like to be able to avoid minimum depths when charting the course. I don't mind 1 unit that shares both duties, although my dad says 2 sep units would be best. The budget for these is far less than it would be on a brand new $40k boat. I am familiar with Garmin's Blue Chart G2 and nearly bought it for my Nuvi, but the screen is not viewable in direct sunlight, making it useless in the boat. A nice bright screen in the sun is one of the most important features after accuracy!
I prefer not to have to deal with any dealers etc face to face, but I would like to know who is good with these engines around here. I'm in Deltona, FL which is near Sanford and Daytona. I'm pretty certain when I get these carbs back together, I'm going to need help getting them tuned and tweaked. I really wish I didn't have 4 sep carbs. If this were a Holley 750, I'd be able to handle it myself with a little work.
Sorry for the book. Thanks for all the help! I've learned a lot so far, particularly from the Gators fan (go noles JK). Many of the words I used in this post I didn't even know a few weeks ago. I still can't quite get that Starboard/ Port thing right. I can't comprehend why they don't just say Left and Right!!!
Here's the boring back story.....
My dad had this boat (an 88 Stratos 200DC) running like a top. It had been mostly stored for the last few years he owned it so little over 3 years ago he brought it over here and gave it to me. My mom said it needed an impeller because it had been sitting for a while, and since I knew absolutely nothing about 2 cycle outboards, I left it alone until I had time to work on it. While it sat, the brand new seats on the boat got moldy, the spare tire rotted and the wheel rusted, etc etc. We have been cleaning it up and getting it ship shape for a few months. The boat had no cover. I have also learned this was not the original engine. My dad bought the boat from an employee of a marina or boat dealership. They couldn't get the original engine to run right, said they had this one with a recently rebuilt power-head, and swapped it out. They moved all the cable to the starboard side (in the way of the dive platform). The wiring is a real mess. I intend to replace every piece of copper in the boat, including all gauges, but that will wait. There are even unterminated wires in the engine. Still the boat ran fine when he dropped it off. He's owned a lot of boats so I take his word for it. I changed the impeller and the old one was perfect so I guess we could have had it on the water the day after it came to live here. We got a good start on everything and took the boat to the Keys for vacation. I figured I'd be better off putting the money into the boat rather than renting one down there for 3 or 4 days.
So far we have cleaned the fuel tank. It had been used with premix with the old engine. I learned only recently my dad had run external tanks with the current engine. The tank had lots of gas in it. I thought I got it all out before the trip but turns out I didn't come close. I topped off the tank in Miami and put in the Enzyme stuff in there. I used a new fuel filter at well. I couldn't get the boat on plane no matter what I did. Finally on a whim, I pushed in the choke deal (the start/ run KEY) and the boat took off. This leads me to believe the carbs are messed up, probably from varnish. I picked up some seafoam and loaded them up as directed. Lots of smoke. Took the boat out and it tried to go a few times without the choke in. It eventually got to the point it didn't want to go anymore and also sucked the primer bulb flat. Turns out the screen on the gas tank pick up was loaded with crud. I cleaned it up best I could and it would go again, still not all out, but definitely better. I spent the last several days removing, cleaning and replacing the fuel tank. I replaced the fuel lines (still on the old filter). I cleaned the pickup tube and screen really well, looks almost new. I filled up the fuel filter with Seafoam and ran it, let it sit over night, and filled it up again, took the boat to the ramp and put 89 Octane Ethanol free gas in there. I put almost a can of seafoam in there, about half a gallon of Xylene, left over from cleaning the gas tank, and about 35 gallons of gas in there. When I started it up, it took a few tries to get it going, then the smoke show for about 5 minutes. I took it out on the lake and it just wouldn't go. It sounds like it's running OK but full throttle just won't give enough RPM under load to get on plane. I tried using the choke and that helped a little. It also had a second of really increased RPM a couple times so I can only assume there is still a lot of crap in the carbs and I need to pull them. I am afraid I am going to have a hard time getting the carbs back together and installed with the same settings they have now after tearing them down so any tips or hints are greatly appreciated. The water runs from the peep and the boat isn't using a lot of oil as far as I can tell. If I left anything out, please let me know. Glad to answer any more questions.
HERE IS WHERE THE QUESTIONS START.......
The engine is labeled on the mount at the aft of the transom Model E140GXE8R Serial # G 02548659 but it was a little hard to read due to wear and tear. I couldn't find any other labels.
I have the decoder sheet printed up and cannot decode the year and model. The E140 part is obvious, after that, I am unclear. I know it's an Evinrude 140 V4 with a VRO based on the various logos but other than that I do not know.
The engine has 4 single barrel carbs. What do I need to do to clean them up? I need part numbers and explicit instructions. I have 2 manuals. One is Clymer, the other is Seloc. They read like stereo instructions, but one is definitely better than the other. The link on this site http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=309188 to changing the impeller with all the photos blows away BOTH books and I wish I had seen it before doing the job.
I'd also like to replace the entire throttle assembly and all the wiring harnesses. I need part numbers for all that. The searches for complete wiring harness for Evinrude 140 have not provided the numbers I need. I suppose I could re-wire everything rather than use a harness, but I'm a firm believer that if the cost is just a little more for the correct part, I'll be better off in the long run going that route, and my time is money so I don't want to spend too much of it reinventing the wheel. The wiring is actually the only thing I could do from scratch given a proper schematic and it's also one of the easiest things to handle with an appropriate harness.
I also need recommendations on what gauges I should buy. I intend to replace all of them and the dash panel they are mounted in. The cutting is easy for me, just tedious. I'd like to purchase all the gauges BEFORE starting the gauge project so I can lay them all out.
I also need a GPS and depth finder. I have read some things about dual frequency. It's very important to me to have accurate depth info BEFORE I hit the bottom. I intend to be moving fast in 3-5ft of water at times, and the depths can change dramatically over a short distance with no apparent warning. I want the GPS to be able to chart a course that is appropriate, not just a straight line. I'd like to be able to avoid minimum depths when charting the course. I don't mind 1 unit that shares both duties, although my dad says 2 sep units would be best. The budget for these is far less than it would be on a brand new $40k boat. I am familiar with Garmin's Blue Chart G2 and nearly bought it for my Nuvi, but the screen is not viewable in direct sunlight, making it useless in the boat. A nice bright screen in the sun is one of the most important features after accuracy!
I prefer not to have to deal with any dealers etc face to face, but I would like to know who is good with these engines around here. I'm in Deltona, FL which is near Sanford and Daytona. I'm pretty certain when I get these carbs back together, I'm going to need help getting them tuned and tweaked. I really wish I didn't have 4 sep carbs. If this were a Holley 750, I'd be able to handle it myself with a little work.
Sorry for the book. Thanks for all the help! I've learned a lot so far, particularly from the Gators fan (go noles JK). Many of the words I used in this post I didn't even know a few weeks ago. I still can't quite get that Starboard/ Port thing right. I can't comprehend why they don't just say Left and Right!!!
