Evinrude ETEC 130 using Amsoil HPI oil

[Stromzilla]

Just got my project back up and running with a new (to me) 2010 Evinrude ETEC 130. Rigged and mounted the engine over the last couple of weekends. First weekend out on a 1979 Glastron/Carlson CVX-16. The 79 Evinrude 115 was the original...rebuilt the powerhead and then I sold it. Sure like the ETEC! Sure like the oil.

2010 Evinrude ETEC 130: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jes36XhwgEY

 

[Stromzilla]

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Took the GPS with me last weekend and recorded the following data:

Boat - 650 lb Glastron
Gas - 12 Gallons
Additional weight - Me, 3/4 gl oil, motor, etc
Prop - OMC ss 13 x 23

600 rpm - 3 mph
3,000 rpm - 26 mph
3,500 rpm - 31 mph
5,600 rpm - 54 mph

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jes36XhwgEY

 

[pecheux]

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I am curious .... why would'nt you use the BRP XD-50 oil which was designed for the E-Tech ????

 

[Stromzilla]

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That's simple...because it's not the best oil that's available for the ETEC. Clearly the XD-100 outperforms the XD-50 so therefore XD-50 is not even on my radar. As much money as I have invested in my motor...spending a few extra bucks over the course of a season becomes a no-brainer for me. And as far as using Amsoil...they proved their HPI is as good or better in the categories they tested 2 Evinrude Etec's on the back of a tow vessel...1 using XD-100 and the other using HPI. Both oils received very high marks and Amsoil even talked about how good the XD-100 performed.

 

[Chris1956]

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OK, So Amsoil proved there oil was better how? Neither engine seized? Amsoil had prettier smoke? How was it proved?

Does using Amsoil void your BRP warrantee?

 

[aerobat]

Re: Evinrude ETEC 130 using Amsoil HPI oil

i think your motor will perform on xd50 as good as on xd100 or every other high brand 2 stroke direct injection oil. its myth and believing to use the very best and imagining that our engine is running better than the one of others

 

[BonairII]

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Does using Amsoil void your BRP warrantee?

I would stick with what the manufacturer recommended.

 

[HT32BSX115]

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OK, So Amsoil proved there oil was better how? Neither engine seized? Amsoil had prettier smoke? How was it proved?

Does using Amsoil void your BRP warrantee?

That one is probably hard to determine unless you get something in writing from BRP,

If I understand it correctly, with an ETEC, you can run at the lower oil injection rate (100:1) ONLY when using the higher priced OEM XD-100 oil.

If the engines come programmed to run XD-50 and you reprogram to run on XD-100 (and use XD-100) you're "covered".

But if you run XD-50 in an engine programmed to use XD-100 and you experience damage you probably wouldn't be covered.

Similarly, if you had an engine programmed to use XD-100 and you ran Amsoil, AND you experienced damage you may not be covered either.

I am not all that familiar with the ETECS but I think they come initially programmed to operate on ANY BIA TC-W3 oil available. (at the 50:1 rate)

 

[Stromzilla]

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OK, So Amsoil proved there oil was better how? Neither engine seized? Amsoil had prettier smoke? How was it proved?

Does using Amsoil void your BRP warrantee?

Amsoil really didn't come out and say their oil was better. What they showed was both oils performed at a very high level using 2 identical engines side-by-side, 1 using XD-100 and the other using HPI, and both were setup to run in the lean-mode oil delivery. Both motors were setup side-by-side on a working vessel that did a lot of heavy towing and hard running out in the Gulf of Mexico. Both motors were torn down to the bone by an independent company and analyzed in various categories to include scuffing, and deposits left behind in key areas. Does that answer your question? Let me know if you need more details.

 

[Stromzilla]

Re: Evinrude ETEC 130 using Amsoil HPI oil

i think your motor will perform on xd50 as good as on xd100 or every other high brand 2 stroke direct injection oil. its myth and believing to use the very best and imagining that our engine is running better than the one of others

You can think that all that you'd like...thank goodness we have choices. So what you're telling me is that my motor will run just as good using XD-50 vs. XD-100? Please tell me this is a joke. What do you suppose BRP would have to say if you were to change your ETEC over to the lean mode oil delivery setting while continuing to burn XD-50? And by the way I don't imagine anything. The data will support the idea that XD-100 is a superior product to XD-50 if you consider a superior product to mean much improved flow characteristics and less deposits that are left behind from the combustion process.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Amsoil really didn't come out and say their oil was better. It was proved using 2 identical engines side-by-side, 1 using XD-100 and the other using HPI, and both were setup to run on in the lean-mode oil delivery. They ran on a working vessel that did a lot of heavy towing and hard running. Both motors were torn down to the bone by an independent company and analyzed in various categories to include scuffing, and deposits left behind in key areas. Does that answer your question? Let me know if you need more details.

Post a link to that advertising info....

 

[Stromzilla]

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That one is probably hard to determine unless you get something in writing from BRP,

If I understand it correctly, with an ETEC, you can run at the lower oil injection rate (100:1) ONLY when using the higher priced OEM XD-100 oil.

If the engines come programmed to run XD-50 and you reprogram to run on XD-100 (and use XD-100) you're "covered".

But if you run XD-50 in an engine programmed to use XD-100 and you experience damage you probably wouldn't be covered.

Similarly, if you had an engine programmed to use XD-100 and you ran Amsoil, AND you experienced damage you may not be covered either.

I am not all that familiar with the ETECS but I think they come initially programmed to operate on ANY BIA TC-W3 oil available. (at the 50:1 rate)

I believe you're correct on all of your statements. However, if you're programmed for the lean-mode oil delivery and using Amsoil during a failure it'll have to be proved it was a failure in the lubrication for BRP to not cover it, and Amsoil will stand behind it. I will be going to the lean-mode with my setup...funny thing is I don't even think twice about it. I'm more concerned about oil pumps crapping out or the computer not giving me proper feedback, or the safety backup systems failing. If Amsoil HPI is getting delivered then it'll be getting proper lubrication.

 

[Stromzilla]

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I would stick with what the manufacturer recommended.

For those that are not in the know then the best advice is to stick with the manufacturers recommendation. And in this case when running an Evinrude ETEC that would be either the XD-50 or the higher performing XD-100. XD-50 is a semi-synthetic and XD-100 is a FULL SYNTHETIC. If you don't understand the difference then I highly recommend you read-up on both. Both oils are very good. However in some situations you will have problems with the XD-50 such as in running your outboard in very cold weather. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. And if you understand what makes oil tick then it should be no surprise that the XD-50 was causing ETEC's to shut-down in cold weather due to a lack of oil flowing to the motor. A GOOD FULL SYNTHETIC IS FOR REAL. It will perform above and beyond your typical TCW3 oils in all categories...I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP! And I believe that is what drove BRP to develop their XD-100 specification and please trust me on this...it will blow away the TCW3 specification.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Well it's your money. You do what you want. I researched your statement and it all led back to statements made by amsoil........ nothing more than advertising dribble. No photos ....no independent testing documents. Sorry to say I would stay with the manufacturers suggestions since I would not have a disposable amount of cash to replace a loss.

Here on iboats this topic only comes up 6-10 times a year. :facepalm:

 

[Stromzilla]

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Post a link to that advertising info....

It's not advertising information. The project outcome was written and published in one of our monthly magazines. I'm not sure where they went with it after that. I will contact the Vice President of Product Development and see if he can give me a link to the writeup or maybe he can send me a copy of the article and I can post it.

 

[Stromzilla]

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Well it's your money. You do what you want. I researched your statement and it all led back to statements made by amsoil........ nothing more than advertising dribble. No photos ....no independent testing documents. Sorry to say I would stay with the manufacturers suggestions since I would not have a disposable amount of cash to replace a loss.

Here on iboats this topic only comes up 6-10 times a year. :facepalm:

You're awfully quick to come to your conclusion which seems to be typical of some on this forum. Why don't you give me a chance to get you the information you're asking about. Doesn't that seem to be the fair thing to do? And you're right - it is my money and I'm going to do what I said I'm going to do and that is to run HPI in the lean mode. And you know what else I'm going to do...write about it right here in our forum. As much as you refuse to want to hear about how good anything else is out of the ordinary, you're going to hear about my experience with this oil in the lean mode with my Evinrude Etec. And I'll tell you something else - I'm going to see about getting my hands on the test data and then I'm going to shove it right under your nose for you to read. AND I can already guess the outcome - you still won't accept it for what it is,but I'm going to get it just for you anyways.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Wow, did you realize what my post said?

Yes, I went to research the same info and it all lead back to amsoil distributors. It is similar to any advertising such as Chevy or Ford having the best truck.

Glad you are so good at guessing

 

[HT32BSX115]

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I believe you're correct on all of your statements. However, if you're programmed for the lean-mode oil delivery and using Amsoil during a failure it'll have to be proved it was a failure in the lubrication for BRP to not cover it, and Amsoil will stand behind it.

Thanks for that info. I think before I used AMSOIL HPI in my new ETEC (whether under warranty or not), I would either want an assurance from BRP that they would "approve" it's use.....Or, I would want the same written assurance from AMSOIL that they would cover the engine if there was an oil related failure.

Also looking at the prices of both, it appears that XD100 might be a little cheaper per gallon depending on how much you buy. (It also appears that price is not much of a factor for most of us anyway since the engines use so little oil...... it's insignificant)

 

[Stromzilla]

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Thanks for that info. I think before I used AMSOIL HPI in my new ETEC (whether under warranty or not), I would either want an assurance from BRP that they would "approve" it's use.....Or, I would want the same written assurance from AMSOIL that they would cover the engine if there was an oil related failure.

Also looking at the prices of both, it appears that XD100 might be a little cheaper per gallon depending on how much you buy. (It also appears that price is not much of a factor for most of us anyway since the engines use so little oil...... it's insignificant)

I tend to agree with you especially if you have concerns. However, if you feel strongly enough about getting something in writing then my recommendation is to stick with something you're comfortable with...it's not worth losing sleep over. For me Amsoil HPI failing in my Etec is the last thing on my mind and that's because I know what Amsoil goes through in validating any given product. They did validate HPI using a pair of Evinrudes as I've previously stated. In fact I spoke with the VP of Product Development and they're looking into a more comprehensive writeup using the data they've collected...I encouraged him to bring it on so I can share it with my iboat friends. I will keep you posted on that one. As far as price, I would be amazed if you could buy XD-100 cheaper than HPI especially if you become a Preferred Customer...can purchase at cost. But my comment on that topic is to please don't buy a product that is the lifeblood of your motor because it's cheap. If I felt XD-100 was the best oil for my engine and it cost $90 a gallon I'd still buy it. Besides, like you said, the Etec's use so little oil even at the standard setting that cost becomes a moot point. I personally use HPI because I feel it's the best product out there and the price I get it for is simply icing on the cake. And I will continue putting my money where my mouth is and keeping my iboat friends informed...at least it'll be entertaining.

 

[pecheux]

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That's simple...because it's not the best oil that's available for the ETEC. Clearly the XD-100 outperforms the XD-50 so therefore XD-50 is not even on my radar. As much money as I have invested in my motor...spending a few extra bucks over the course of a season becomes a no-brainer for me. And as far as using Amsoil...they proved their HPI is as good or better in the categories they tested 2 Evinrude Etec's on the back of a tow vessel...1 using XD-100 and the other using HPI. Both oils received very high marks and Amsoil even talked about how good the XD-100 performed.

Now I am even more curious ...lol I need to know this: Was the motor using the Amsoil HPI ajusted for the XD-100 brp oil usage ? or for the Xd-50 ?
I think I have read somewhere that if the E-tech motor is adjusted for Xd-100 there would be no substitute if you ran out of oil ... but in oposition if adjusted for Xd-50 then other Tc-w3 oils can be used safely to get you out of trouble.

Tx for letting me know ... I am an oil fanatic LOL