Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

Hushko

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Hello all,

I've got an issue with my new fishing boat that I'm wondering if anyone else out there has had experience with. I recently purchased a 1996 Crestliner 1750 Fish Hawk (guessing 1,400 lbs with the engines and gear). It's an aluminum boat with a side console and a 40 HP Yamaha four stroke, long shaft (20") outboard that I mounted-up a couple of weeks ago. Since there are some lakes in my region that have a 20 HP limit, I also mounted a 2007 Yamaha 20 HP four stroke long shaft (20") off to the side. I connected the steering and have a second remote control so that each engine could be operated independently from the helm. The 20 HP is mounted about 8" higher than the main engine, since the transom rises on either side of the main engine location. The 20 HP is low enough in the water to submerge the cavitation plate and the bottom of the boat's hull rises enough at that point to fully expose the lower unit to the oncoming water. However, when I tilt the engine up only enough to where it would be pushing the boat forward (so that the cavitation plate is paralell to the plane of the hull) as opposed to being at a negative angle and pushing the transom upward (since I know there's not enough HP to push the boat onto plane), the prop begins to gulp air (cavitate), causing the engine to rev up and down and to bounce around. When I tilt the engine back down to a negative angle, the cavitation stops, but the upward force at the transom again consumes and wastes a great deal of my forward thrust.

I'm not out to win a race and don't have unrealistic expectations for the 20 HP. It achieves about 7 mph in its current configuration. In theory, a wider anti-cavitation plate would probably reduce the gulping of air. However, there's probably no better substitute for dipping the lower unit deeper into the water. Which finally brings me to my questions. Has anybody out there experienced this same problem with their kicker motor/mounting configuration? And, has anybody had any experience with an aftermarket kit (if available) to extend a 20" shaft to a 25" shaft?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 

Georgesalmon

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

I would just run it where it works. I have a smaller HP kicker and I get the same speed you do, from h3/4 throttle to WOT it won't go any faster. I think that 7mph is my hull displacement speed. You will not likely get anymore speed if you lower the prop or get the angle of attack parallel to your motion. I have extended motors from 15 to 20 but have not done a 20 to 25.
 

Hushko

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

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Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to get a little more out of the 20, say, maybe 10 mph. I had a 9 1/4"x12 prop on the 20hp originally, but the engine was lugging way too hard. I put a Solas 10"x7 four-blade, high torque prop on it, which brought the rpm's up within the operating range (5,800 rpm at wot) and eliminated the lugging condition. But it did seem when I trimmed the engine up more paralell to the boat, that it did want to pick up a little more speed. But that's when it begins to cavitate. The 20hp Yamaha (F20PLR) uses the same case as their 15hp. Bay Manufacturing offers an extension kit (Model #811) for $360, but I'd hate to spend that kind of money to achieve the same mph in the end.
 

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ondarvr

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

The pic is at the wrong angle to see any detail of how high it's mounted in relation to the bottom of the transom, but from what you described it's sort of clear.

It is performing exactly as expected, as soon as you get to a speed where it begins to plane you start sucking air. This is not cavitation though, it's ventilation, they are two very different things that are commonly confused with each other.

Unless you lower the motor or lengthen the shaft there will be no solution, lowering the motor may be possible, lengthening the shaft would most likely be very costly, if even possible. There is a company that makes "bay kits" Its an extension that bolts on between the lower unit and midsection, I have no idea if they make one for this motor.

http://www.baymfg.com/yamaha.asp
 

Hushko

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?


Thanks for the link. This setup would definitely get the motor deeper in the water. However, I've got the steering connected to the main motor and it is also remote controlled from the helm (control cables and electric). It seems this setup would work better for tiller style motors.
 

Hushko

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

I talked with Bay Mfg on friday (10/5). They only make the extension for the 15hp 4 stroke Yamaha. I called Yamaha, and it turns out that the 20hp uses the same housing as the 15hp. The extension runs $360 plus shipping. In the end, however, it sounds like this would solve the ventilation problem and may even help improve the steering as well. The 20hp isn't powerful enough to get my boat on plane. Have you had good results with their extension kits?
The pic is at the wrong angle to see any detail of how high it's mounted in relation to the bottom of the transom, but from what you described it's sort of clear.

It is performing exactly as expected, as soon as you get to a speed where it begins to plane you start sucking air. This is not cavitation though, it's ventilation, they are two very different things that are commonly confused with each other.

Unless you lower the motor or lengthen the shaft there will be no solution, lowering the motor may be possible, lengthening the shaft would most likely be very costly, if even possible. There is a company that makes "bay kits" Its an extension that bolts on between the lower unit and midsection, I have no idea if they make one for this motor.

http://www.baymfg.com/yamaha.asp
 

ondarvr

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Re: Extending an outboard kicker motor to eliminate cavitation - best option?

Many people around here use them and I haven't heard of any complaints.
 
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