Eye lead time

Myrtonos

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I gather that vision is your first line of defence when boating, in spite of the extensive use of those crazy horn signals. I have looked up eye lead time but haven't found it mentioned in relation to boating.
Basically the minimum eye-lead time is the minimum distance you should be looking when opertating any vehicle or vessel. After some PM discussion with Southkogs, I gather that the minimum eye lead time you should use when on plane in a boat (30MPH) one would use a greater (minimum) eye lead time than when driving Dodge truck or Ford van at 70MPH.
 

spdracr39

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Re: Eye lead time

This is true and sounds reasonable but more importantly your vision should also be 360 degrees as much as possible. It is very important to know what is happening all around your vessel at all times. Don't get locked in to just looking forward.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Eye lead time

This is true and sounds reasonable but more importantly your vision should also be 360 degrees as much as possible. It is very important to know what is happening all around your vessel at all times. Don't get locked in to just looking forward.

You might be overtaken by another vessel who assumes you know it is happening. Yep......360 degree awareness PLUS being aware of what lies beneath such as sand bars, rocks, reefs, dock pilings.........

Boating is not a sleeping activity.
 

Stachi

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Re: Eye lead time

keep an eye out overhead too...nasty seagulls .....just sayin....
You might be overtaken by another vessel who assumes you know it is happening. Yep......360 degree awareness PLUS being aware of what lies beneath such as sand bars, rocks, reefs, dock pilings.........

Boating is not a sleeping activity.
 

emoney

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Re: Eye lead time

Folks would serve themselves well to spend a little time "practicing" their boating skills. Stopping your boat from WOT, banking hard to port or starboard, etc. You should have a good feel for what your vessel will do should somethin come up. When in doubt, slow down.
 

jigngrub

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Re: Eye lead time

Back in the ancient times high school drivers ed. class they taught us a 12 second lead when driving on the road, I use the same thing when operating a boat.
 

bonz_d

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Re: Eye lead time

Lead time is something I think of when shooting clays!
 

dingbat

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Re: Eye lead time

Things happen in slow motion on the water. Unlike on the road, people cannot just pull out in front of you on the water. For us, you had better know what is around you in a 5-10 mile radius (10-20 minutes) unless you have a death wish. A 12-second lead would barely give you enough time to realize you are in deep trouble.

Weather wise; know what is going on in a 20-25 miles radius, if not more
 

sstone

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Re: Eye lead time

Things happen in slow motion on the water. Unlike on the road, people cannot just pull out in front of you on the water. For us, you had better know what is around you in a 5-10 mile radius (10-20 minutes) unless you have a death wish. A 12-second lead would barely give you enough time to realize you are in deep trouble.

Weather wise; know what is going on in a 20-25 miles radius, if not more

Here inland, that would mean knowing what's going on on the whole lake!

Always know what's around you on all sides, and always triple check behind before turning. Seems like every accident that happens here involves somebody turning and not knowing a boat is behind on the side they're turning to
 

jigngrub

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Re: Eye lead time

Here inland, that would mean knowing what's going on on the whole lake!

Always know what's around you on all sides, and always triple check behind before turning. Seems like every accident that happens here involves somebody turning and not knowing a boat is behind on the side they're turning to

There's also the boat that comes roaring out of a small creek, slough, or cove into the main channel only to be hit or hit someone motoring on the main channel.

Inland lakes aren't all peaches and cream like the wide open ocean or Chesapeake bay.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Eye lead time

The Dodge has brakes---the boat does not. Thus the need for increased lead time. However, in the Dodge you had better be aware of 360 degrees of surrounding just like on the boat.
 

JEBar

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Re: Eye lead time

You might be overtaken by another vessel who assumes you know it is happening. Yep......360 degree awareness PLUS being aware of what lies beneath such as sand bars, rocks, reefs, dock pilings.........

Boating is not a sleeping activity.


add to that keeping a sharp eye on the weather .... summer thunder storms can spring up in a flicker

Jim
 

dingbat

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Re: Eye lead time

Here inland, that would mean knowing what's going on on the whole lake!

The Chesapeake is inland ;)

If you had one of the major east coast shipping lanes traversing your "lake" and passing aircraft carriers, submarines and freighters where serious navigational hazards you would probably want to know what is going on in the entire lake as well. Not to mention the numerous large boats running on autopilot with nobody at the helm. ;)

Chesapeake Bay 2012 080.jpg. How many "seconds" away is this boat.
 

sstone

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Re: Eye lead time

The Chesapeake is inland ;)

If you had one of the major east coast shipping lanes traversing your "lake" and passing aircraft carriers, submarines and freighters where serious navigational hazards you would probably want to know what is going on in the entire lake as well. Not to mention the numerous large boats running on autopilot with nobody at the helm. ;)

View attachment 165781. How many "seconds" away is this boat.

Point taken, never had the pleasure of such an environment
 

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Re: Eye lead time

well said, dingbat. I'm one of those busy harbor/open waters boaters, too. We say, "Keep your head on a swivel." the "eye lead time" is a very small part of what you have to do.

We all naturally compare motor boat drving to car driving, but there are way too many differences to make the few similarities matter. For example, on an interstate, you really only need to worry about what's behind or in front of you, and on the surface of the road. Perhaps boating in a long canal is like that. But not driving on a neighborhood street or boating on busy creek full of docks and marinas. On the road, cars generally restrict travel to the road. Boating is like being in a big unmarked parking lot.

Boats: no brakes and generally not as manueverable. Watch 360 above the surface. Watch the surface straight ahead, and also "watch" what's under it (not a concern on cars!). Watch what's above (weather) also not as much a concern with cars (a 15 mph change in wind speed in a boat would be of equal concern of a tropical storm/blizzard on a car). Severe injury from impact (no selt belts, airbags, safe design) and risk of drowning! But the immediate effects of a break-down are usually harmless. Boats also require more maintenance, more "on the road" repairs, more safety/emergency/repair equipment , and more skill to operate.

Cars: more obstructed view (e.g. car coming out a side street); more restrictions (stop lights/signs; lanes of travel) and danger from people ignoring them; lower margin of error (ditches/walls/curbs on the sides); higher speed = longer stopping and greater likelihood of skidding or rolling. If you break down suddenly (flat front tire) especially in traffic you are more likely to get creamed by another driver.

Other drivers: Who's to say whether the threat from other drivers acting stupid is worse on the water or on land. For me at home (urban drving on land, experienced boaters mostly on water) land is worse. I surmise from comments here that many of you have your lakes full of morons but land traffic isn't so bad, comparatively. Of course, the "holiday weekend" traffic can be bad both places!
 

shrew

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Re: Eye lead time

Back in the ancient times high school drivers ed. class they taught us a 12 second lead when driving on the road, I use the same thing when operating a boat.

By this calculation, that means you're only looking as far out as about 12 seconds ahead of the boat. In other words, your field of view is only looking at objects which you are 12 seconds away from hitting with the boat. That is like only looking down to see where your next footstep is going to fall as you walk down the street.

I'll scan out as far as 10 minutes and as close as 5 seconds. Lobster pots and floating obstructions like logs are sometimes difficult to see out very far.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Eye lead time

...I'll scan out as far as 10 minutes ...

10 minutes ahead could easily be 5 miles!
If you can see over the horizon 5 miles ahead the situation will be completely different by the time you get there.
1/2 to 1 mile may be more realistic.
Small boats are hard to even detect at a mile.

At 10minutes/5miles even a tanker is not a threat.
You can take note of its existence, but even considering taking any action for an object 10 minute ahead is a bit much.
 

shrew

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Re: Eye lead time

That would be relative to how high your eye is above the waterline and how fast your travelling. Do I look out several miles? Asolutely.
 

dingbat

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At 10minutes/5miles even a tanker is not a threat.
You can take note of its existence, but even considering taking any action for an object 10 minute ahead is a bit much.
Unless you’re constrained in your speed and maneuverability then 10 minutes gives you very little time to calculate the ships course and put a safe distance between you and the ship.
 
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