FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

LubeDude

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This FAQ Article may not answer all of your questions, as it is written for general information and not meant to be technical. No oils are said to be better than others, nor any effort made to settle the question about which brand or type is "best". There is no agreement on that.<br /><br />If your engine is a carbureted or EFI water cooled 2 stroke you should use an oil that is certified TC-W3 by NMMA, with the mix ratio recommended by the engine manufacturer. Outboard oils are sent to the NMMA, National Marine Manufactures Association, for TC-W3 testing. The term TC-W3 means: Two Cycle, Water cooled, spec. number 3.<br /><br />The tests include varied bench tests for fluidity, lubricity, viscosity, etc., plus the oil must meet minimum standards for ring sticking and carbon build-up on pistons in engine tests. The chemical make-up of the TC-W3® oils vary due to the various additive packages involved with each oil brand. Accordingly, it's a performance based qualifications program. The process is very involved and expensive, but worth the outcome for consumers and manufacturers.<br /><br />Outboard engines are characterized by their constant speed, high output operation. They are usually set at a desired high speed and continue at that speed until the destination is reached and then throttled down. Also, they are constantly cooled with fresh, cool, non-re-circulated water. Water-cooled, two-stroke engine oils require high levels of a heavy oil to prevent piston and cylinder wall scuffing. Because of their high average piston temperature, lighter oils evaporate too quickly from the piston cylinder contact area. The heavy base oil, which vaporizes at very high temperatures, resists evaporation and remains in place to provide lubrication to the piston and cylinder. <br /><br />Some feel you should use the oils from the manufacturer of the engine in question. You cant go wrong with this practice. Also if you have an engine that is still on warantee and you have any problems, the whole thing may go easier if you are using their product. However, they cannot void your warantee if you are using a TC-W3 certified oil, unless the warrantee specifies requirements for a non-TC-W3 oil.<br /><br />There are many TC-W3 oils to choose from, It seems every oil company has one and then some. So, which one do you choose? Ultimatly this decision will be yours to make. The purpose of this article is not to recommend one product over another. The iboats archives offer a wealth of arguments and information but no answer on the question of which brand is best.<br /><br />All TC-W3 oils are not created equal however. Some have more additives than others. I do not think that it is possible today to buy a really bad oil. <br /><br />TC-W3 is a ten year old Specification, and outboards are changing all the time. A few new technology engines demand different formulations. We may someday see a TC-W4, or ?.<br /><br />Some Direct Injected (DFI) 2 stroke outboards require oil specially formulated for those DFI engines. Owners should use any oil "required" in warranty limitations, though not necessarily those "recommended". Some DFI engine failures have been attributed to use of oil that was not up to the published requirement for those DFI engines.<br /><br />There are a few other outboard engines for which TC-W3 oil is not suitable. <br /><br />Air cooled outboards should use oil intended for air cooled engines, chain saw oil or "Weed Eater" oils, for example. These oils are formulated for the higher temperatures air cooled engines run.<br /><br />Four stroke outboards are a whole different story. Again, users should stay within the limits set by the warranty. Automotive oils are generally suitable, but some oils are offered as "4 Stroke Outboard Engine Oil".<br /><br />Now, What about synthetics?<br /><br />There have been many discussions about this subject, and some of them heated, but I think the majority agree that there are benefits from using the synthetics or synthetic blends (mixed with petroleum based oils), but are not sure if the benefits outweigh the cost.<br /><br />So what are the benefits the manufactures claim?:<br /><br />Superior performance in DFI outboard motors <br />Prevents piston and combustion chamber deposits <br />Prevents "ring jacking" common to DFI outboards <br />Low smoke, low odor product <br />Prevents wear for long engine life <br />Prevents rust <br />Low aquatic toxicity<br /><br />Here is their explanation for the benefits claimed:<br /><br />100% SYNTHETIC OUTBOARD 2-CYCLE OlL contains only ashless components which is said to prevent any lubricant related preignition and spark plug fouling. The ashless additives also help protect against piston and combustion chamber deposits, rust and corrosion. It resists gel formation due to water or other contamination. The special base stocks used help protect the engine against piston and cylinder wall scuffing.<br /><br />We now have a new oil out from one manufacture for older "seasoned" outboards that is a synthetic blend. <br /><br />Here is what they say about it.<br /><br />Developed for engines that are “seasoned” or have been in service for a few years. However, the robust formulation makes this oil exceptionally applicable for new high displacement/horsepower carbureted or direct injection outboard motors. Uniquely formulated with extra ashless dispersants to help keep performance robbing carbon deposits from forming in the combustion chamber, piston tops, under crowns, and piston combustion rings. Most importantly it helps keep exhaust ports clean. Formulated to a higher lubricity limit than NMMA AF-27 lubricity test to provide EXCELLENT protection against piston scuffing and reduce wear.<br /><br />Advertizing claims seem to never end.<br /><br />Many here on the forum use one synthetic or another, either a blend or a full synthetic. There are several with the TC-W3 certification. Most say they are getting the benefits claimed, but some have gone back to regular TC-W3 for various reasons.<br /><br />There are concerns that synthetics used at recommended leaner ratios do not protect well enough in the off season due to less oil coating of corrosion vulnerable parts, but it is hard to test corrosion in a real world application. In the end, its solely up to you whether you want to use it or not! Some swear by it, and some swear at it.
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Excellent article, LD.<br /><br />I do have some suggestions, as some of what you offer is opinion subject to argument. Let's keep the FAQ section limited to facts.<br /><br />For example, the question of quality vs. price. Discount retailers often sell a given brand of oil at lower prices than other dealers and marinas. Does the quality vary? Of course not. The price a given retailer charges for brand name oils is a marketing function, including factors like volume, advertising, overhead, etc. "House" brands cannot be assumed to be lower quality than highly advertised "name" brands simply because the retailer has more efficient marketing, etc. and sells them at lower prices.<br /><br />There are many outboard engines for which TC-W3 oil is not suitable. <br /><br />Air cooled outboards should use oil intended for air cooled engines, chain saw oil or "Weed Eater" oils, for example.<br /><br />Direct Injected 2 stroke outboards typically require oil intended for DI engines. Owners should use an oil "required" in warranty limitations, though not necessarily those "recommended". Some DFI engine failures have been attributed to use of TC-W3 oil rather than the oil required by the warranty.<br /><br />Facts concerning synthetics. There are manufacturer's claims that they exceed petro oils in performance. You can list those claims.<br /><br />They are typically more expensive.<br /><br />Many believe that they get the results claimed. Others don't believe any benefits are worth the cost. The jury is out.<br /><br />Four stroke outboards are a whole different story. Again, users should stay within the limits set by the warranty. Automotive oils are generally suitable.<br /><br />Thanks for your hard work, Lube Dude. I look forward to this article developing into a comprehensive guide in the FAQ section.
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

L.D.- Good job. The most factual, unbiased post to date. :D <br /><br /> If you guys are tired of discussing oil, then don't bother to open a thread titled "oil FAQ". Some members are still making a decision on oil types and enjoy the info. :mad:
 

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Jeff Peacock

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Geez- if you don't want to read about oil, don't open the post! It's titled oil faq, that should pretty much give it away...
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Listen, gents. <br /><br />The man is working on a factual article for the FAQ section. It is hard work.<br /><br />The purpose of the FAQ section is to offer a one-time, complete set of facts so that endlessly repeated arguments are minimized.<br /><br />He is asking for suggestions, not flack. <br /><br />If you have useful suggestions or FACTS, please submit them.<br /><br />If you just want to take personal cheap shots go somewhere else.
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

but isnt it a little biased, being an oil salesman and all? just asking.. dont get mad
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

The purpose of asking for suggestions and input is to edit out bias, and to make the content complete and factual, PMM.<br /><br />Tech writing is a tough job. If all tech writers suffered generalized attacks like those edited out of this thread when they submit first drafts there wouldn't be any good tech articles.<br /><br />If you want to help Lube Dude out, please make specific, helpful suggestions.<br /><br />Please don't indulge in non-productive sniping.<br /><br />If someone knows more truths about oil than Lube Dude, why haven't you submitted an article??
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Well here's my 2c worth, it has worked for me very well...not being an oil expert I am not gonna second guess what the manufacturers of outboard motors recommend...I don't think they(outboard manufacturers) have any bias towards a particular product line that would not allow them to recommend the lubrication products that their engineers feel is optimum for prolonging the engine life of their own outboard motors. That would be taking stubborness to a new level. <br /><br />In other words...if you are not sure what type of oil to use in your Merc,look in your user's manual, or ask the Merc dealer.<br /><br />The maker wants his motors to look good out there so I don't think he will steer you wrong...just a Thought on the subject of oil :p :p
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Originally posted by phatmanmike, again:<br />but isnt it a little biased, being an oil salesman and all? just asking.. dont get mad
It seems that no matter how hard you try and not be biased, someone allways thinks you are. Could you show me where I might have been biased? Im not mentioning brand names at all! Please do, I can take it if i am, I do not want to be biased in any way with this thread.<br /><br />Thanks JB. Must have been some good ones you deleted. I can only imagine.
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

This is a good start LubeDude. Here are my comments.<br /><br />
Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />[QBThere have been some tests done by a few members of the forum on the cheaper oils with less than desirable results.[/QB]
If you are going to make this claim, I suggest you back it up with the link to the thread, or the data, or names.<br /><br />Also, if you are going to mention costs for synthetics, give a rough idea of how much more the synthetics cost. (i.e. twice as much, etc)<br /><br />Also, being a little anal here, but is it TCW-3 or TC-W3 ? :confused: <br /><br />Ken
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />[Also, being a little anal here, but is it TCW-3 or TC-W3 ? :confused: <br /><br />Ken[/QB]
Not anal at all, Its TC-W3, Thanks for pointing that out!<br /><br />Im looking for the rest.
 

Trent

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Id like to see "DATA or Proof" on why you think or know why synthetics are better. Iv seen it destroy some engines and components in the past (im talking full synthetics)
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Trent:<br /><br />First off, I have not said that on this discussion. I do however think they are better because I have had , and many people I know have had stellar results with them! I would say that every race application you can imagine runs synthetics of one kind or another be it 2 cycle or 4 cycle. Suppose there is a reason? If I posted any synthetic results here it would be taken as biased in some way, it always is.<br /><br />As to you having seen several engines and components damaged with synthetics, It must have been back in the research days, 20+ years ago, as there were some proplem oils out there. But not today. If it fails, it must be the oil!
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Good job LD:<br /> I actually save $ by using synthetic blend. The Johnny/Rude oil I used to use costs $17 a gal. at Wal-Mart and the Penzoil blend I now use costs $10 a gal.<br /><br />Stalker
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

nightstalker:<br /><br />You know, Ive always assumed that the synthetics are more, but it seems that the cost is evenning out now. I need to go to wallyworld and get some prices and get into the flow again. I have bought only synthetics for so long that I think I have lost touch with prices.<br /><br />Why do you use a synthetic, (blend) and may I quote you?
 

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Kenimpzoom: I would like to include the information you said you would like to see, but it is scattered all over the place and I see no way of doing it without taking up even more space. I may have to delete the statement.
 

Trent

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Re: FAQ: What type oil should I use in my outboard?

Im not knocking the oils. Im actually trying to see if this old dog can learn a few tricks. :) <br />However, In my industry we have had some bad luck with some on the "New Oils". Take a look at this.... web page <br /><br />Also this: (I know this is for aircooled engines but Id like to show you this) Synthetic oils do not show superior performance when used in piston-powered aircraft.<br />The decision to use synthetic oils should be based on the expected use of the oil. Since synthetics cost at least twice as much as mineral oil-based products, there is a tendency on the part of the operator to expect them to outperform in all circumstances. In a piston engine aircraft environment, however, the favorable properties of synthetic oils are marginal. Supporters of synthetic oils have basically two main claims: one, they increase time between oil changes and second, they improve startability at extreme low temperatures. Synthetic oils will become contaminated just as quickly as mineral oil in a piston aircraft engine and synthetics do not show any appreciable difference in wear levels. OEMs do not distinguish between synthetics and mineral-based products for oil change recommendations. Also, for piston-powered aircraft, any possible low temperature benefit to a synthetic oil is irrelevant because piston aircraft started in temperatures of 20F or below must be pre-heated. With regard to extremely high-temperature operation, very few, if any, piston-powered aircraft are operated at temperatures that highlight the benefits of synthetic oils.<br />This was written by a Phillips Tech. <br />Now I can show you more and I know this is a marine site. But as you can see I look at synthetics with a grain of salt. Im keeping an open mind.<br /><br />Also a friend last year (Dodge Truck) switch to Pennzoil and the engine sludged up. They changed the oil and three thousands miles later the engine locked up. The cause was the synthetic oil according to Dodge. They replaced the engine. 37,000 miles.
 
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