FIBERGLASS a "BIG HOLE" --1973 MFG Super Caprice

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Question>? for the group---- Should I spend the $500 plus dollars and fix this old Classic? OR Do I just put my 1973 65HP Johnson Power Stroke II motor on this 1989 Maxum 1600XR I found for $850 on craigslist with a blown motor....

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If you don't have to do anything with the Maxum, switch motors and be done with it. You can always play with the MFG on the side. At least that's what I would do and pretty much what I did with my project. The project is still underway but in the meantime I bought something so I could get on the water.

Remember...the point of having a boat is to be on the water, not working on it in your garage.
 

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Repairing the MFG will be an engineering exercise to achieve the proper alignment of the broken parts prior to laminating a patch, as well as ensuring that it does not become a weak spot in the future. Your additional pictures demonstrate how extensive the area is.

If being given such a challenge and prevailing over it is something that (pun alert!) 'floats your boat', it might be worth attempting.

That said, the Maxum would be tempting, if you were certain that you were not one core sample away from discovering $500-1000 of rebuild on its deck or bones. A quick visual inspection of the Maxum will probably not reveal anything definitive, unless of course it's totally rotten and shows it. My boat looked fine, and even felt fine for the most part, but my thread will show you how much of it is left at this point. :)
 
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okay now if I buy the 1989 1600 XR 16ft maxum that is rated for 50HP, has anyone put anything bigger on this? Like my 1973 65HP johnson? the weight difference is 50lb..-----Also I have a 6HP johnson that I would like to put on as a kicker, any thoughts on that and if it's even possible? or would selling the 6HP and getting a transom mount 55lb thrust troller a better idea?

2nd--- The guy that has the Maxum now used it on Sundays for the past two years and said the motor went and he tired of messing with it... Stated it's a solid boat and previous owner replace the floor before he got it.... Now with the floor already being replaced and I'm unable to contact the guy that did the work...what should I look for? If the old floor went bad maybe water got underneath the floor and into the foam and rotted the stringer boards....anyway to confirm when I inspect the boat? Other things to look for when inpsecting the prospect boat?

__The MFG was to be a project and I'm glad I got use of it last year without sinking...but now looking into this problem area it is sure to be and expert firberglass repair job, to which I am not. Never laid a piece of fiberglass in my life. The damn hole has at least 6 different angles/lines that need to be perfect which is something even an expert will have a tough time with and might be inpossible for me.
 
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One more question..... HOW MUCH WOULD A -PRO- charge for the Job?
 

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2nd--- The guy that has the Maxum now used it on Sundays for the past two years and said the motor went and he tired of messing with it... Stated it's a solid boat and previous owner replace the floor before he got it.... Now with the floor already being replaced and I'm unable to contact the guy that did the work...what should I look for? If the old floor went bad maybe water got underneath the floor and into the foam and rotted the stringer boards....anyway to confirm when I inspect the boat? Other things to look for when inpsecting the prospect boat?

There are (as I have learned, after it would have been most handy :) ) a number of tell-tales that alert you to danger:

Things that don't fit:
- Walk-thru windshields that don't close and latch smoothly or at all
- Sliding windows or cuddy hatches that bind
- Odd seams or overlapped deck materials

Signs of rot:
- Smell (musty, moldy, earthy)
- Soft deck
- Noticeable lack of straightness to transom or trim, especially buckled trim
- Look in ski lockers to get a view as far fore and aft as you can under deck. Use your camera and a flash to see better than your eyes can.

Signs of hillbilly engineering on repairs or replaced parts
- Like the sheetmetal and play-doh patch on your MFG (Though I can understand why somebody might resort to that...)
- Double-decking - laying a new plywood sheet directly over existing rot.
- Lack of protective sealant on plywood
- Lack of tabbing of replacement floor to hull (on a glass boat)
- Obvious use of non-stainless fasteners, like drywall screws.

In short, look for anyplace you might find exposed materials - under splashwell, in storage bins, under gunwales, etc., and see if you find signs of decay or neglect beyond what one might expect on a 25 year old boat.

__The MFG was to be a project and I'm glad I got use of it last year without sinking...but now looking into this problem area it is sure to be and expert firberglass repair job, to which I am not. Never laid a piece of fiberglass in my life. The damn hole has at least 6 different angles/lines that need to be perfect which is something even an expert will have a tough time with and might be inpossible for me.

If you're up to it and want a challenge and a learning opportunity, go for it. Given how big the tears are, I'd be tempted to stabilize the broken side using something temporary, like a 2x4, screwed into directly through holes drilled into the cap. You may have to get inventive with the shape of the brace, as I doubt anything in that area is completely flat. Perhaps a piece of thin flexible plywood, backed by 2x4, and shimmed between them with wedges to maintain any curves. My thought is to start with the bracing on the outside (wrap the 2x4 in wax paper near the holes), and then de-cap the boat and work on it upside down on horses. After laminating across the damaged area, you may discover that there was plywood sub-structure originally in portions of that area that is gone. The surviving side will be your guide. Once the repair is strong enough to bear its own weight, you can flip it again and work of filling from the outside then fairing to match the original profile.
 
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"Signs of hillbilly engineering "

Had to laugh at this one.

I was visiting south Georgia on summer and this fella Earl comes late to a gathering.

"Where ya been?" I asked.
"I was paintin ma car."
"Oh. I didn't know you had a paint booth."
"Don't"
"So, what? You painted it in the open air?"
"Yep."
"Sprayer? Kinda windy for that."
"Brush."
"What?"
"A brush with enamel. Shines real nice."
 

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One more question..... HOW MUCH WOULD A -PRO- charge for the Job?

Kinda hard to say without seeing it first hand. From what I see you have aprox. 30-40 hours. At 95-100 bucks an hour at a marina ( or Pro Rate ) Plus materials you would be looking into the $3500-$4500 range.

YD.
 
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I do appreciate all the FEEDBACK this forum at IBOATS has provided. Being the extent of the damage are we saying it would be unsafe to HillBilly it again see how she floats? I bean really reinforce with all kinds of wood from the inside and even fiberglass some on the inside...then fiberglass some on the outside, Bondo,Fairing filler, etc for around 500 in materials and however long it took who cares....

by the way I bought a tir-HULL bass boat the some 19 year old from a boating bacground refinshed himself and couldn't pass it up for $1350

came with about the same motor I have now, plus a brand new bow mount troller 55lb foot controlled from minn kota edge.
I WILL POST PICTURES LATER, probably here and in a new thread since this is my new toy.

Any idea what the trailer and boat in this shape are worth..and say a early 1970s Johnson 65HP would be> I put on craigs list for 1500 but includes 65HP, a matching parts motor, and a nice 1970s 6HP johnson (that I might keep for a kicker on the new tri hull bass boat1

thanks guys and were there any girls on here?
 
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Here is the add if intrested...




I rode the Boat 3 days a week in July/Aug/Sept of 2012 probably 40 hours at least and had a blast...this was my first boat other than a 12 ft aluminum.

The previous owner did a patch job on the Starboard side top/Cap in front of the windshield. He rivited together the broken fiberglass and bondo-fairing filler over it and used NO fiberglass. I began the process and decided it would cost me about $500 in materials and then my time. A professional will charge thousand to two thousand I'd guess.

Mabye you can fix it? It is a great boat but it's 1973 and needs a litte love.
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No one is going to pay over a grand for that rig as-is. You'll be better off selling the motors and trailer separately.
 
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No one is going to pay over a grand for that rig as-is. You'll be better off selling the motors and trailer separately.

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Here is the new [90's] Tri Hull... Any idea what make or model this is or how to expect it to handle...Haven't been out on it yet.

Also adjusted my craigs add--hope it sells
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Hey juggernaut, I think your new boat's motor might be an electric shift mode whereas your old one wasn't. Definitely keep the non-electric shifter as parts are NLA for the electric shift. Your new boat looks like a Ouachita which look similar to Crosby Sleds.
 
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Hey juggernaut, I think your new boat's motor might be an electric shift mode whereas your old one wasn't. Definitely keep the non-electric shifter as parts are NLA for the electric shift. Your new boat looks like a Ouachita which look similar to Crosby Sleds.

The "old" motor on the "old boat" is a 1973 65hp Johnson Power Shift II

The new motor I think is older than 1973 but it's a 65hp Evinrude unsure of the model.

So the Jonson Power Shift II "old" I'm having Serviced on Saturday morning and plan on putting it on my new boat as it Looks much cleaner and ran great last year.

I planned on selling the Evinrude and the spare motor for parts it came with.... so you saying I should keep my old motor and use it, but use the Evinrude electric shift for parts?

Also the 65HP weighs about 200-220lbs.... so would 2 guys be able to switch them out without a Lift of somesort:?

I plan on making a stand out of wood...pulling the motor off my new boat and putting on stand... then taking the motor off my old boat and put it on the new boat.
 
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