Fiberglass or Composite Materials?

CaneCutter79

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There must be debates on this somewhere but I'm not finding much information geared around boat hull construction rather than car body construction.

My question is which is stronger or better material for boat construction, fiberglass or composite material? Also, what composite material is used in constructing boats today? Carbon Fiber?

Particularly in transom construction.
 

Fisherball

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Re: Fiberglass or Composite Materials?

Search " transom replacement" & you'll find many different products & ideas from plywood to honeycomb to "pour in" materials like Seacast. Mine will be $75.00 worth of plywood. Many cost much more but the original plywood lasted 35 years & I'll be dead by then.
 

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Re: Fiberglass or Composite Materials?

There must be debates on this somewhere but I'm not finding much information geared around boat hull construction rather than car body construction.

My question is which is stronger or better material for boat construction, fiberglass or composite material? Also, what composite material is used in constructing boats today? Carbon Fiber?

Particularly in transom construction.

In boat contruction..Kevlar is the best..

Transoms would be boat to boat.

Why this question..do you have some kind of idea of replacement .

Nothing beats good ol' glass and resin.

YD.
 

CaneCutter79

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I'm specifically looking at purchasing a new bass boat. One company boasts of a patented compressed fiberglass process where a super dense fiberglass material (able to tap and thread like steel) is used in the boat's construction. Most other companies use composite materials (whatever those are, I just know "composite").

When I buy, I want to be confidant that regardless of fiberglass or composite, the boat's transom is strong, well built, and will last for many many years.

I'm sure most will but I have heard of some companies boats having stress cracks for many reasons. I just want to know if the extra cost for fiberglass is really worth it or is the lesser composite materials strong enough and durable.
 

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I think fiberglass is still considered a "composite" material. I think what you may be referencing (and what the manufacturer's literature is referencing) is the use of composite instead of wood in the transom, stringers, and maybe even the deck. While I'm not sure I'd spent much extra cash for a boat built with some nifty new hull material, I would probably prefer a boat without a wood transom or stringers.
 

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Re: Fiberglass or Composite Materials?

I'm specifically looking at purchasing a new bass boat. One company boasts of a patented compressed fiberglass process where a super dense fiberglass material (able to tap and thread like steel) is used in the boat's construction. Most other companies use composite materials (whatever those are, I just know "composite").

When I buy, I want to be confidant that regardless of fiberglass or composite, the boat's transom is strong, well built, and will last for many many years.

I'm sure most will but I have heard of some companies boats having stress cracks for many reasons. I just want to know if the extra cost for fiberglass is really worth it or is the lesser composite materials strong enough and durable.

What company has this patented compressed glass construction ?

All boats built now a days have structural integrity that will last for a long time.

As for stress cracks..your going to have to be In the Plant when they apply the gel to Know if your boat will have a chance of cracking in the gel. ( Every boat is built one at a time..the sprayer could have a hangover and put too much gel in the mold ).

EVERY boat is different..even the same model/make/year/week.. All of them have there own specific construction ..

Monday and friday boats normally are not as good as tuesday-thursday boats in the mold..

And yes.. fiberglass/resin is considered "composite construction".

Prepreg kevlar/graphite is way different.. still "composite" but way more expensive.

YD.
 

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What company has this patented compressed glass construction ?

YD.

I think this is the "SCRIMP" construction method. I believe J Boats, that are popular in your area, uses this method where fibers are layed up in mold dry and a vacuum process is used.

Ya think?
 

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What company has this patented compressed glass construction ?
YD.

dont know.....but it sounds like a sales pitch to me......that process will be just like vac bagging (or similar) to get the resin/glass ratio down. and possibly a heat bake as the glass comes off the back end of the cure.

As for stress cracks..your going to have to be In the Plant when they apply the gel to Know if your boat will have a chance of cracking in the gel. ( Every boat is built one at a time..the sprayer could have a hangover and put too much gel in the mold ).

to elaborate a little more about this correct statement......
if the gell has too much catalyst or not enough...it will also stress crack. they shoot at 35 thou thickness.....it takes a real experienced shooter to keep this thickness even. a slight adjustment to the gun....and they could go thick or thin....also.....in corners...the gell will tend to collect....this can cause crazing as well.


there are some manufacturers claiming a kevlar hull or transom........this is a sales pitch.
there is a small strip of kevlar in the transom or keel....my girlfriends bikini has more material than the kevlar in these boats :eek:...this strip of material is just there to say there is kevlar in it. these boats are made of poly resin.

to be effective.....the kevelar/carbonfiber/graphite must be bonded by epoxy. polyester resin will fail before the minimum strength of the kevelar cloth will be required. this is why the epoxy must be used.....
let me give an example......say we take 4 sheets of tinfoil compressed together...and call that kevelar....ok....now .... place the tinfoil between 2 sheets of paper. (this simulates our fiberglass lay up)......now stab your lay up with a pen......the paper will fail long before the strength of the tin foil is even required.
(i know this is a bad example......but the premise is the same.)
kevelar, carbon fiber, graphite demands the use of epoxy for the strong material to be of any value to the laminate.
because of production costs, problems with shooting epoxy resin and many other reasons....epoxy is not used in production boat building.

that ......and the fact that fiberglass with poly resin is far stronger than the demands of even the most serious boat will ever require.
a good glass boat will last 50 years or more.

to the OP.
a well kept glass boat with wood transom and stringers will last you far longer than you will care to keep the boat.
if you are really worried....go to a tinny !

cheers
oops
 

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The company I referrenced was Ranger boats. I toured the plant and saw how they construct their boats. The parent company bought out other bass boat companies and a lot of brands are made their now. The compressed fiberglass material I was talking about is extremely dense, you can tap and thread it (saw this done), and it's extremely rigid yet really light compared to steel. They have a patented process for how they make it. If I recall correctly, it's basically compressed fiberglass. Similar to how plywood is made. Put into a heat applied press I think.

Whatever it is or however they make it, it's the real deal and no sales pitch. It's very durable.

This is why I asked because since they make other boats in their plant, the lesser materials used on other brands are not as strong as their patented material and costs less. After furthre research, I'm sure a boat will last if you keep it dry on the inside and take care of it.
 

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Ranger, good boat. Pultrusion process they use is very interesting. Just saw a video the other day. Guess I can put my bubble roller away.
 
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