fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

mattthegreat

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hi. first I would like to say I am new to this forum and am new to boat building in general so bear with me.

I have received a 16' Reinell power boat (no idea what model) and I am going to be converting it into a sail boat unfortunately the thing is to stinking heavy :mad: and I need to get rid of weight. I am planing on removing the whole top half of it and the bottom plywood floor and replacing the rotten 1"thick stern plywood board with thinner plywood. the lighter I can make it the better

can you guys look at the pics and suggest what else I can remove without removing to much structural strength. thanks



(how do you find the pictures http)?
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

I really want to see how you do this one. Please post some pictures of what you plan on doing. I am curious to know what your going to do for a Keel or a center board? How big of mast are you going to use? You know it will end up costing you about 10 times what it would cost to redo an old sail boat that has all the rigging already. How a good aluminum mast for that size boat will cost you $ 1000.00 used.

Good luck with this It will be very interesting to watch if you do this sucessfuly. Do you have experinece with sail boats?
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Not being "terse" in asking you this but why do you want to turn a power boat's hull into a sail boat?

You are trying to turn a planing hull into a pure displacement hull. Kind of like buying a buick to turn it into a school bus.

Losing weight is a pretty simple problem to solve, but trying to put a mast and keel on that hull will prove to be very expensive and a engineering nightmare!

Don't get me wrong... If that's what you want to do and think you can, by all means; GO FOR IT! I'll surely be following your posts!

Good luck and most importantly, HAVE FUN!
 

mattthegreat

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

hi ok in order of questions posted

I plan on making either a keel board or center board if I can remove enough weight then it will be a centerboard. the mast will be 20' and I will make it from a tree i have in the back yard that is a beautiful straight pine that died 6 months ago.
the price is ok because I have 4 months of scrounging to find the parts that I cant make.

the reason I want to do this is because it is my skill in the duke of edinburough program and I got the hull for free ("if you can move it you can have it free" said the guy :eek: :D )
putting a mast and keel into it will be half the fun I like engineering problems (I want to be one for a job)
I will be making the mast support before I even start building the mast but first I need to lighten the bugger.


let me know if you know the model because I would like to know what the factory weight is as I don?t have a weight of getting it to a scale any time soon with winter coming and the insurance of my truck running out and my car is what I will be driving and only insuring the truck when I need to get wood that wont fit in the car.
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Hey Matt, sounds like an interesting project.

The links you posted for the pictures are local links to your own computer. Nobody can see those but you.

If you would like to have pictures use the instructions in the top three threads here http://forums.iboats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32
 

mattthegreat

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

ok hear are the pics, I think they work.

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this is the very rotten transom that needs replacing

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very soggy wet foam need to remove this.

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under the bow cover the hose was connected to a gas tank

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this is a little cubby that you can see in the bottom of the second from bottom pic.
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Matt imho, you would be better off starting from scratch, to build a sail boat. that is a planeing hull, you need a displacement hull.
 

andgott

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Well, This is one of those things that COULD be done- But before you put too much time/money into it, make sure you know what you are up against.

The hull is designed for power- and lots of it- not sail. It's not an issue of it being a planing or displacement hull- PLENTY of small sailboats have planing hulls- But this hull is designed to plane with the assistance of a couple hundred horses, NOT a couple hundred square feet of cloth.

Rigging- A pine tree isn't going to make a great mast. And, a 20' mast is going to be on the short side- even IF you can use the entire tree... The other 'parts' of a sailing rig are also big $$$$.

Just know that if you DO this- You will end up with a boat that might move a bit under sail, but is going to be a lousy performer, and will have no further value to you (resale wise) after you're done.

If you are still determined to give it a shot for the duke of edinburugh program (though I think that building an entirely new boat or rebuilding a sailboat might be a better bet!!), I'd say first you need to go out there and research sailboats a bit, and compare the hull on this boat to the hulls on sailboats of this general size. There is a LOT more hull here- and WAY more than you need. I'd cut the decks off- And probably cut the hull down as well. Of course, then you'll need to build new decks, reinforce the insides with framing- And all sorts of fun stuff.

Also, I'd forget the centerboard or swing keel in favor of lee boards- A heck of a lot easier as they won't involve cutting into the hull. They don't perform as well, but lets face it- That will be the least of your issues with this boat...

-Andrew
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Here build one of these. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9lNb67K4Hs. Way cheaper and probably worth more when your done. I watched them build this but you would be surprised at how well it worked and how cheap it was to build. I put the idea in the back of my head for one of those if I ever get a bunch of spare time.

Good luck with your project. I hope you proove me wrong but I dont see your project being one that is worth all the work you have in front of you. Maybe you explain why you want to do this?
 

mattthegreat

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

thanks all, i understand that it wont perform very well. I am planning or lightening it a huge amount so that it will start to plane in 40knot wind (there is a nice funnel between 2 mountains on my lake wear the wind just gets ripping usually up to 30-40 knots)

as for re sail value I got it free. I never expected to get anything for it when I am done with it. it will go to the dump (minus the salvageable parts)

I am kinda stuck with not building a hull becouse my mom forbids me from going from scratch for a hull becouse she thinks it would never get done at least in her opinion i already have the hull built and I am more than 50% done. I was originally planing or building the hull myself.

if 20' mast is on the short side what do you recommend for the mast length?


as for the duct tape sailboat I considered that but again my mom forbid me from it becouse "its not safe" bla bla bla and this thing will be safe?

thanks all I am going to go do some work on it now.
 

andgott

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this thing will be safe?

No- Far from it. A 'pine tree' mast isnt going to take a 40 knot wind. I have owned some heavily built cruising sailboats, rigged to take the strain of ocean cruising, and I'd NEVER go out in 30-40 knots given the choice. This whole thing is an accident waiting to happen- especially given what you plan to do with it. I'd look for another project.
 

mattthegreat

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the "and this thing will be safe" was a reply in my head to my mom, I will not use it in 40 knot winds unless I get trapped into it (of coarse then it is drop the sails and start rowing), I have used a club 420 in 40knot winds and have no wish to have something that light in those winds again, my friend had her mast shear in half in the same wind, we got hit with a 65knot gust when it was blowing 40knots steady, it turtteled me.

40 knots is just how fast the winds can get in the spot during the fall.
I am going to try this project any way, I have started to remove the rotten plywood transom and will be replacing it. next i will be removing the waterlogged foam. I thought the foam would be good a foot in from the opening, my drill bit replied otherwise when I drilled in and pulled soggy sponge like foam out.

if it dosent work out I will still have learned a lot. I am spending money on this project expecting it not to work (so being very cheap). if it works I will upgrade the parts that I spent little money on.
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Row in 40? Yer killin me here. i thought,MAYBE, if you cut the boat in half, fore n aft, put it back together in a different configuration, cut a dart in the stern and remove the transom.... no... it's just wrong. Please DO IT!!
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

I'm going to be kind after thinking it over--
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mattthegreat

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Row in 40? Yer killin me here. i thought,MAYBE, if you cut the boat in half, fore n aft, put it back together in a different configuration, cut a dart in the stern and remove the transom.... no... it's just wrong. Please DO IT!!

ok you lost me threw all that.
I am removing the top half so it will be lighter and smaller, I am not racing with it so speed means nothing to me, again it is just a project to me despite all your guy's warnings.
 

mattthegreat

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

hear is the progress made after day 1

the foam is not completely soaked just the bottom half of it so i still need to remove it all.
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I have unbolted what appears to be holding the top down on both sides this far need an extension on my socket so I can reach the rest
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this is how much of the rotten transom I have removed the other side is rotten but not as much so it will be harder to remove.
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this is the pile of stuff removed after day 1
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everything done so far is either easily reversible or required to turn it back into a power boat so I am not at the point of no return if I find I am in over my head for making a sail boat.
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

I'm just going to sit back and read/follow this thread at this point. If that vessel gets close to going into the water, I'll pipe back in with pleas of "don't do it" and mention the liability you're going to expose yourself and those that will have to rescue you.

If you think you're 50% there by starting with that hull, you need to do a LOT of reading on both this forum as well as a sailboat building forum.
 

mattthegreat

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

I am no wear near 50% done my mom just thinks that I am 50% done compared to if I build my own hull which was my original idea. I dont think I am any wear near done I still have to take the top off, replace the floor and transom, replace any rotten stingers under the floor, decide if I am going to cut the hull any farther down, add the mast support, build or get a mast, rig the the shrouds and forestay, build or get a boom, make sure the thing floats when completely filled with water (replace foam), build a center or keel Bord get or make my sails, add a rudder, add the main and jib sheets, add a boom Vang add the main halyard just to name what comes to mind quickly I am looking at 3-4 months MINIMUM work.
 

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Re: fiberglass powerboat into a sailboat

Okay, sounds like you've gotten a great view of your options from the various naysayers.

I won't add to what they've said about the hull or mast, since you seem aware this is a very unlikely hull to perform well. I wouldn't even worry too much about lightening it.. you can remove anything you won't need, like a windshield, mechanicals, wet foam, etc. You won't be able to take off more than about a quarter of the weight that way... a lot of it is in the hull itself. Unless you can lighten this hull by half or more it won't make much difference to your performance, therefore don't bother.

Plus, I hate to say, you're not half done. With a basic sail, centerboard, and mast set up you're still going to spend a lot of time getting the build done. You need to work on a mounting for the mast, at least two stays to hold it up, a way to attach a boom to the mast, sheets to control the boom, pulleys and winches for raising sail, etc. The hull is the least of the work, I'd just pull out the wet parts and call it good.

Edit: Just read that you realize that already... 3-4 months of full time work sounds like a realistic estimate. You'll need probably a few hundred Euros worth of materials too, minimum... glass, foam, etc.

Your Mom might be happier with a smaller project... one of the two sheet plywood designs would go together fast and have roughly the same ability to handle seas as this hull would, plus it'd be cheaper.

All that said, it WILL sail. Especially with a decent centerboard and mast. People make things sail all the time that aren't custom built displacement hulls. Including log rafts and bathtubs.

So, as long as you acknowledge that while it will move, it will be difficult to handle due to weight, and your top speed will be less than about 4 knots, I'd say go ahead and try.

The speed is due to weight and the limitations of the amount of canvas you can put up... your sail area is going to be smaller than optimal because you aren't going to have a super-strong mast or rigging.

I'd recommend you salvage a mast if you can't buy one. That tree wood won't work very well, and it'll add a lot of weight. If it was a different species, maybe. Small plywood sailboats use electrical conduit for masts, but that won't work well for you given the sail size you need. Consider looking for a sailboat with a broken or otherwise messed up hull and taking the mast and rigging... this will also determine the sail type you need and show you what kind of stays you'll need to keep the mast upright. Or look for any piece of metal or fiberglass tube that's at least 30 feet long and very stiff.

I salute your initiative and encourage you to post pictures of your progress here, so we can offer suggestions.

Erik

PS: If your Mom is worried about you not getting a from-scratch hull done, isn't she worried about having a torn up old boat sitting around?
 

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