Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.
Boomyal,
Normally I vehemently disagree with you, politically and philosophically. However here I agree totally, with both points. Our founding fathers sought their independence from England to freely worship their God. They sought the freedom to establish and follow their own religion. Our laws are ultimately based on the bible and the 10 Commandments. Therefore we can not separate religion from this argument.
I hate to repeat it but as the low brow saying goes, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam & Steve. As evidenced in Genesis 1:27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him: male and female created he them."
Further evidence of the intention of God that man and woman be the marital unit, in Genesis 1:28, And God blessed them and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply; and replenish the earth
Later in Genesis 2:24-25, we read, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and be cleave unto his wife, and they will become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and both were not ashamed.
Nowhere does it state a man and his husband; always the reference is a man and his wife, or a woman and her husband. Here it is important to note that God instituted marriage in the Garden of Eden when people were still innocent and immortal, therefore it follows that the marital union is between man and woman.
As we know from the Bible, the later disobedience to God of by Adam and Eve brought corruption into human nature, and since then all their descendants have been born with a predisposition to sin. This damage to human nature had an adverse effect on all forms of private and social life, including the marital relationship. Thus, natural attraction between individuals sometimes becomes disordered, taking various forms of perversion in sexual instinct such as harlotry, polygamy, homosexuality, marital unfaithfulness and so forth.
Now before anyone lynches me for being a homophobe, I am not. My wifes boss is gay, and I have a great level of respect for him. One of my former bosses is gay. When a co-worker gossiped that fact to me, which was later substantiated, I told them, So what? I dont care. It doesnt change my opinion of him. It has never affected my employment, so it doesnt matter. And further, one of my customers is gay. When I worked side-jobs as a mechanic I would go to Davids house and work on his trucks there. One evening we sat and talked while I repacked wheel bearings for a front brake job. We talked about our youth. I recounted some earlier relationships, not graphically but it was self-evident that I was always heterosexual. He told me of his marriage to a young woman, his realization of his sexual orientation involving a fellow rodeo rider. He divorced wife, gave her everything and moved away. He entered a relationship with another gentleman and after several years fell in love with another man. Feeling guilty about his betrayal of emotions he left that relationship with little and built a house for himself and his new love, who later left before the house was finished. I was never grossed out, never uncomfortable, it was just a casual conversation. He told me about his loves and how he came to be where he was in life, and me the same. I respect this man and still do work for him on his vehicles. For these associations I have an uncertainty regarding my feeling about gay marriage and civil unions. I think there should be some legal acknowledgement of a committed relationship among same-sex partners, but not marriage. That is a sacrament, involving one man and one woman, end of discussion. However, any privileges we provide gay couples because they live together we should extend to heterosexual couples living together too. And there is the plunge of society into the depths of hell.
And I say, lets have a heterosexual rights parade. Lets flaunt our sexuality for all to see. Let us straight people throw it in the faces of the homosexuals. I bet there would be plenty of uproar then. On a human rights front, marriage is NOT a human right. It is a sacramental right.
Boomyal said:
Boomyal,
Normally I vehemently disagree with you, politically and philosophically. However here I agree totally, with both points. Our founding fathers sought their independence from England to freely worship their God. They sought the freedom to establish and follow their own religion. Our laws are ultimately based on the bible and the 10 Commandments. Therefore we can not separate religion from this argument.
I hate to repeat it but as the low brow saying goes, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam & Steve. As evidenced in Genesis 1:27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him: male and female created he them."
Further evidence of the intention of God that man and woman be the marital unit, in Genesis 1:28, And God blessed them and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply; and replenish the earth
Later in Genesis 2:24-25, we read, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and be cleave unto his wife, and they will become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and both were not ashamed.
Nowhere does it state a man and his husband; always the reference is a man and his wife, or a woman and her husband. Here it is important to note that God instituted marriage in the Garden of Eden when people were still innocent and immortal, therefore it follows that the marital union is between man and woman.
As we know from the Bible, the later disobedience to God of by Adam and Eve brought corruption into human nature, and since then all their descendants have been born with a predisposition to sin. This damage to human nature had an adverse effect on all forms of private and social life, including the marital relationship. Thus, natural attraction between individuals sometimes becomes disordered, taking various forms of perversion in sexual instinct such as harlotry, polygamy, homosexuality, marital unfaithfulness and so forth.
Now before anyone lynches me for being a homophobe, I am not. My wifes boss is gay, and I have a great level of respect for him. One of my former bosses is gay. When a co-worker gossiped that fact to me, which was later substantiated, I told them, So what? I dont care. It doesnt change my opinion of him. It has never affected my employment, so it doesnt matter. And further, one of my customers is gay. When I worked side-jobs as a mechanic I would go to Davids house and work on his trucks there. One evening we sat and talked while I repacked wheel bearings for a front brake job. We talked about our youth. I recounted some earlier relationships, not graphically but it was self-evident that I was always heterosexual. He told me of his marriage to a young woman, his realization of his sexual orientation involving a fellow rodeo rider. He divorced wife, gave her everything and moved away. He entered a relationship with another gentleman and after several years fell in love with another man. Feeling guilty about his betrayal of emotions he left that relationship with little and built a house for himself and his new love, who later left before the house was finished. I was never grossed out, never uncomfortable, it was just a casual conversation. He told me about his loves and how he came to be where he was in life, and me the same. I respect this man and still do work for him on his vehicles. For these associations I have an uncertainty regarding my feeling about gay marriage and civil unions. I think there should be some legal acknowledgement of a committed relationship among same-sex partners, but not marriage. That is a sacrament, involving one man and one woman, end of discussion. However, any privileges we provide gay couples because they live together we should extend to heterosexual couples living together too. And there is the plunge of society into the depths of hell.
And I say, lets have a heterosexual rights parade. Lets flaunt our sexuality for all to see. Let us straight people throw it in the faces of the homosexuals. I bet there would be plenty of uproar then. On a human rights front, marriage is NOT a human right. It is a sacramental right.
