Finding fish arches

waterinthefuel

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I SAW FISH ARCHES I SAW FISH ARCHES BREAKING NEWS<br /><br />Yes!! I managed to set it according to someone's advice on here about putting the gain up to +2 and using 2x split zoom. I took off in my boat and just as I was getting on plane I saw what must have been a dozen near-perfect arches all over the display! I almost hit a bouy I was so excited!!! <br /><br />It can be done, but its difficult. You have to set everything perfect, including boat speed.
 

crab bait

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COME ON... GET REAL...<br /><br />that was probably 12 sunk boomerangs...<br /><br />GET REAL.. ;) <br /><br />an i saw bigfoot at the mall ,last nite..
 

imported_Warren

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Hey, I have 2 Eagle Fishmark 320's on my boat and have the setting set at the default. I will be picking up fish arches on the screen in 30ft of water. Look under the boat and see the bottom and there aren't any fish there. I have a skimmer transom mount ducer on the back and puck ducer on the trolling motor. This fishfinder seems to have too many settings and I just can't figure it out. It has Ping Speed? Sensitivity? Grayline? Surface Clarity On\Off? Overlay Data, Stop Chart, Auto Sensitivity.....Can anyone tell me how to make this easier????...Warren
 

waterinthefuel

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Warren, don't forget the fish you see on the screen are the ones behind your boat. Now if this happens on your trolling motor transducer then hmmmmm.... :confused:
 

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Warren<br />I will try. To start with you are doing the right thing by starting at the default setting. I have seen so many where friends have adjusted everything and there is no hope of getting to work right without setting to factory settings first.<br /><br />It is really simple. After the going to default your unit will be in auto mode and you should get a good bottom signal. Next thing you need to do is decide where you want to see fish so you can set your sensitivy and zoom. As a example if you are fishing for salmon or trout in a lake near the dam then you likely want to find fish in the 15 to 40 foot range. If the water near the dam is 400 feet deep and you set a 4 times zoom then only thing you see on your screen will be water from 300 feet to 400 feet. Since trout and salmon rarely over 50 feet down you will not see any fish.<br /><br />Once you decide where you want to find fish then need to set sensitivy to give strong returns from that area. If you are fishing for bass in the 20 to 30 foot range next to the bottom. Then in auto mode turn up the sensitivy up until you get lots of false readings in the 20 to 30 foot range. Then turn back down until you only see a few.<br /><br />Surface Clarity or surface clutter control will reduce the sensitivy in about the top 1/3 of your screen. This just helps to reduce the black form the top of the screen. Some units you can adjust this setting and some it is on or off.<br /><br />Stop chart, does just that, it stops the screen from updating and most also do not send out any sound signals. It is used to stop the current image you have from scrolling off the screen.<br /><br />Grayline, whiteline, colorline all the same thing. It can be used in lots of ways. A strong return from the bottom with grayline off will be a thick black band. The height of this band tell you how hard the bottom is. Narrow then soft bottom, Wide hard bottom. As you turn the gray line up it will turn the bottom from black to gray except for a thin black line. Now if you have a big sturgeon or shark laying on the bottom it will be more noticeable. Some also say also makes it eaiser to tell a hard bottom form a soft one. When turned off you can sometimes tell the size of some fish like sallmon. This allow you the see the fishes blatter or cavity better.<br /><br />Ping speed or chart speed, This is how fast you send out ping and how long a signal will stay on the screen. Remember only thing under the transducer is the farthest right row of pixels on the display. every thing else is history.<br /><br />auto sensitivy: This is just what it says it is. If you fishing shallow and drift into deeper water the unit will turn up the sensitivy up so you get good returns in the deeper water. If you move and bring the boat up on plane then it will turn the sensitivy down so you can still see bottom and the screen does not go all black form the noise and air bubbles hitting the transducer.<br /><br />Zoom is important when fishing deep water. This will expand the bottom signal to make it easier to see fish near the bottom in deep water.<br /><br />Fish id or fish symbols: turn it off, turn it off, turn it off. All it does is draw a fish symble for any return it see not on the bottom. It could be a bush, a tree lim, a leaf, a plastic bag. Makes as much since as taking a picture of a pretty lady in a bikini and replacing it with a stick symble of a person that you can not tell if it is a man, Woman, child, or dog.
 

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Boatist....Very good information. Just what I was looking for. Now I'm hurtin to go fishin again to try some of this stuff out..."Thank you very much".......Warren
 

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Warren<br />I hope it helps. Where is O. C., is that Ocean City?<br />One thing many do not understand is what you see is directly under your transducer, not out to the side. <br /><br />With the standard 20 degree 200khz transducer fishing 30 feet deep what you see is a 10 foot circle right under the transducer. Half way up that circle is only 5 feet. Right under the transducer it is about 2 inches.<br /><br />I leave my sinsitivity in auto but turn it up until I get false returns in the area I am fishing. I do not think I have ever caught a fish that was on the fish finder at the time. When Black Bass fishing I use the depthfiner to find structure with fish around it then move off and fish that structure. When we catch the first fish we note our depth and then estimate if the fish we caught was in deeper water or shallower water. With the wide ranging temperatures hardest part for bass is finding the right depth.<br /><br />For Salmon in the river you will pass over a school of fish normaly right on the bottom but the lines may be back 50 feet so you have time to adjust the height of you lure and get ready. In the ocean unless you are running a down rigger it a little harder. You can see fish down at 30 or 40 feet in 240 of water but getting you lure to that height is at best a guess without a downrigger.<br />Good luck but leave one for me.
 

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Hey Boatist, O.C. is Orange County. I live by Knotts and Disneyland. I fish fresh and salt with my boat. Lately I have been fishing Castaic lake for largemouth and stripers where finding the shad is very important. Its been raining here so I didn't get to go out. Going fishing and not having and confidence in the fishfinder sucks. I have no problem at all telling you how deep it is but need to work on the settings. I do understand that the stripers are fast and will pass under the boat without a mark. I just want to be able to get the screen clear of false readings. Is there somthing I need to do to isolate the wires going to the fishinder? I only run one battery on my little boat. That one battery runs my trolling motor, both fishfinders, livewell pump, bilge pump, night lights, and cig lighter.....Whew...I just realized..I put too much crap in my little boat......Warren
 

waterinthefuel

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Warren, I got you beat. In my little 13 foot boat I've got bildge pump, livewell pump, night lights, spotlight, dc inverter, VHF radio and regular AM/FM radio! :D
 

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Hello crab bait, I also have a Zercom. It's a LPG 2000. I bought it about a year ago and although I have seen arches, more often than not they were usually half arches. I went to the Humminbird website tonight to send them an email about the problem ( I bought my Zercom from them as they now own Zircom and they are now Humminbird Legend series) and noticed they<br /> have a reasonably good troubleshooting section now that they didn't have the last time I was there. From what I gathered the most important thing is to match the chart speed with the boat speed. Perhaps you have tried this already but I haven't spent to much time doing this yet. It's still winter up here in Canada so It will be a couple of weeks before I will be getting out to fish but I will be experimenting a little bit more with the ajustments when I do get out. Anywho, anyone with ff complaints should check out the troubleshooting site at Humminbird as most of the imformation would pertain to any brand of ff. If this helps great, and if not nothing lost. Happy fishing folks
 

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Kamlooper<br />Do you see the front half of the arch or the back half of the arch?????<br />You will only see complete arches if the transducer is pointed down and you go directly over the fish and the fish does not move off. If you see the front half of the arch then transducer is pointer too much foward. If you see the back half of the arch then the transducer is pointed too much to the back. Also needs to point straight down not off to either side. Do not expect to see as many fish as in the fake simulator pictures. If there were that many fish out all we would need is a depth finder so we do not run aground.
 

crab bait

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thanks KAM,, i'll go to this site..<br />no.. never knew about the website..<br />" " " " " the chart speed match.. how'd ya know how fast ,anyway .??<br /><br />i like mine.. lots a bells & whistles..<br /><br />hate that the screen REALLY darkens in the sunlite..
 

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Hello Crabby...I'm not sure where I had my chart speed set last year, but I will have to play with it more this year and maybe record what chart speed settings go best with what boat speeds. When fishing rainbows I usually keep a boat speed between 1.5 and 2.0 miles an hour, 1.8 mph being my favorate. One would think that one chart speed would handle this range. When the salmon come in I boost my speed between two and three mph so maybe a different chart speed would work better but I will have to experiment more this year to find out.I am going to move my ff from the center consule to the back of the boat where I sit when I am fishing so that I can play with it more. I use an E-trex to guage my speed as the speed indicator that comes with my ff doesn't seem to accurate. I haven't had a problem with my screen going dark but I keep it tilted down as much as possible to keep it out of the sun. I also adjust the screen brightness as the available light changes, this helps lots. My main complaint with my unit is that the depth reading on the upper left corner is usually 10 to 15 feet different than the depth reading at the real time sonar. "Clues" from my downrigger ball indicate that the real time sonar reading is correct. Anywho, I think it all boils down to the fact that we are buying a riggin that we should probably have to go to school for a week to learn how to use properly and it shows up with instructions that are almost useless. You would think that there would be "default' settings that they could give us to get us started. Whow, this is getting long winded, I better go. One more thing, I find that for good readings always set your depth manually. If i'm fishing in 0 to 40 feet of water I will set my ff depth to 50 or 60 feet of water, makes the ff more efficient.
 

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i know,, it's to much junk..but i do like the independent knobs so ya don't have to 'click' thru everthing to get somewhere.. <br /><br />since i stand up while pilotin' 100 % of the time.unless it's foul.. the ff is always tilted up so's i can look down an see ..<br /><br />anyways,,an it's not 'sour grapes',, i really don't care to much about fish/arches on srceen.. i'd think it were false anyway..especially in fresh water.. <br /><br />i care more about depth an habitat.. <br /><br />but mostly in saltwater.. if i get a bunch of small to mid 'hits'.. i'll fish it...<br /><br />seems like deeper saltwater there's less false crap & crud...
 
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