First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

Phazer230

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Well I am back at it again,finally! I am real slow at this job so please excuse me. I have been working on it alot this last week everyday after work. I decided to go ahead and redo the transom, even though it was not that bad at all. It was pretty hard to get it out cause it was still stuck to the transom fiberglass pretty well. I have the transom laminated together and am about ready to CPES the outer sides. I also have the other side of the boats stringers removed and the front cuddy's floor and foam removed. I still have to remove the front stringers. I will post some pics later, that is about all I have to report.
 

Phazer230

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Hi, I am still hard at it, I have the cuddy gutted now. I now know why you guys said a sawzaw is a needed tool cause I didnt need it until I removed the stringers in the cuddy section, cant get a grinder in that angle hahaha so I sawed it out with the sawzaw as low as I could then used the grinder on the lower part and was still able to get one of them out in one piece so I could us it as a pattern, I got lucky on that part cause the other one was trashed. I have the new cuddy stringers cut out and are now absorbing the CPES I put on them tonight. I have most of all my rough grinding done in the whole boat just a little more to go and then I can clean up the mess I bet I had 10 gallons of fiberglass dust to throw away the last 2 weeks! One thing I have been wondering about pertains to the transom, which I have ready to go, I copied my old transom and one thing I noticed which is probably normal? is that the drain hole is acually even lower than the transom can go so about 1/4 of the hole is outside the transom wood, is this ok? I know I will put a thick layer of peanut butter under the transom before I set it in and make it solid down there with no voids. Will it be easy and ok to drill the hole through the transom and peanut butter? cause I know that stuff gets pretty hard and I dont want it to just crack out or somthing! I am alittle worried about this but I am assuming it is doable? Another thing I have been thinking about this week and I shouldnt even be thinking about it right now and shouldnt even bring it up, " Is the foam" What do you guys think about my hull design? Do you think I need the foam for hull support? I have thought about what Woodonglass said about the planking but that doesnt sound like that would work real well for a support issue just sinking. If it does not need to be there for support I would rather not use any foam at all!!!! Ok lets forget all about the "safety issue". It's kindove like this::::: When the boat was being used probably a few years before I quit using it for a rebuild I had noticed that the roller brakets on my trailer were bending outward, why? at the time I had no idea I figured it was cause of our bumpy country roads and the trailer might have not been big enough for the boat under those conditions. The brakets started chewing into the hull badly so I left the boat overnight at the marina and we bent the brackets back and reienforced them with thicker steel and they never bent again. Well when I dug all the foam out of the boat " ALL 2000lbs. OF IT" not kidding! That is what bent the brackets! I would think this thing would have sunk like a rock if it did get hull damage at that time. Note that I very rarely ever had the bildge run in that boat, I never saw water. I would stay overnight in it and it hardly ever ran. How did the water get in there I dont know, Let's just say that my new transom, stringers, and floor will never ever rot again I and sure hope they dont I spent alot of time and money on them already. My worst nightmare would be to have to cut up my nice floor with no problems and tear my boat all back apart just because there is about a ton of water filled foam in my boat! No way I could do it again. lets just look at it this way, People like Bondo's comments being a mod and having over 42,000 posts makes me think he might know somthin about that foam, If I do have a small hole or leak in my hull I dont want this happening all over again, so I would rather not use the foam unless my boat might bust in half or somthing hahaha it is a 23' what you guys think about this as far as support goes.
 

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I did my first official layup today I think it went pretty well, it looks kindove white looking but I got the epoxy kindove foamy with the brush and bondo spreader from working it fast. first I put down a 4" strip then a 8" strip then a 12" strip then a layer all the way up the stringer so that is 4 layer of 12 oz cloth and epoxy. Is this enough? or should I put up more layers? I was planning on doing the other side of the stringer the same way. Please let me know if this is not enough, and it may not be??? Thanks
 

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I did my transom like Friscoboater. Cut the transom out around the drain hole and fill it with peanutbutter mix. That way no water ever touches the wood of the transom in that area, mine was mush around the drain hole.
 

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Since you are using epoxy, I think two layers of the 12oz cloth is plenty for your stringers. Epoxy is super strong and 24 oz of cloth will make it a TANK!!!! Save yourself some time and money!!!!
 

Phazer230

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Ya know what Ironpig, That sounds like a great idea! Thanks man!
 

Phazer230

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Thank you Woodonglass I went back up and looked at your previous post and felt stupid. I havnt even read back on last years posts much. Thanks man
 
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This is my first boat rebuild also, can you answer my questions?

This is my first boat rebuild also, can you answer my questions?

I was hoping to get a little instruction on my first rebuild too. I have a 1970 Caravelle CX173 Fish and Ski. I am about to start grinding the surface down and have found this site so helpful. Since my boat has an outboard, no motor mounts and is not as large, I wonder if I need as heavy of cloth? I was planning on tabbing in with 1708 but do you recommend 1700 instead? I am thinking of using the 10 mat, is that strong enough? I was going to do 2 layers of 1700 or 1708 for the tabbing, 2 layers of the 10 mat over everything and I too was going to put in wholes for the water to flow to the bilge area as all of the stringers and ribs in my boat were mush - literally. I was not planning on using the CPES to waterproof the wood as I thought the epoxy would do that. Is using the CPES just an added insurance? I am certainly willing to do it if so.

I did not clearly understand from my reading of this forum, Should I fully encase the wood stringers in glass and fabric before I PL them in place? I am very nervous about moving into the fiberglassing but also very excited. I can not thank you all enough for all your time spent posting on this site teaching us newbies the correct way of doing things. Thanks.
 

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Hi AJJMH I am very sorry I havnt been on here in awhile and I dont have my e-mail notifications set up right. I am kindove a newbie myself and I dont know as much about different thicknessess of cloth as much as the other people on this site. I am sure you will find plenty of people on here that will tell you exactelly what you need to know they are a bunch of great people on here! Yeah the epoxy will probably be enough to case the stringer but I did use "CPES" for added insurance and I think the stuff is pretty good! I dont think you need to glass the stringer first as the cloth is just for strength to hold the stringer in place and the epoxy "waterproofs" the stringer, but you DO want to put a couple of good coats of epoxy on the stringer first to encase it, let it cure, then sand and wash it before applying any cloth. Be sure to let the PL dry for a period of 2 weeks before applying cloth also. I hope I can help you but you probably already got your advise, I am sorry for the delay.
 

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Hi guys I have my stringers PL'd into place on the second side now I only have the 2 long one's that go up into the cuddy yet to install. Now it is time for the two week curing time, now for my question When I did the last side I used the PL Premium to do the fillets which didnt turn out all the great as many of us find out do to the gassing off and the bubbling up. I had heard alot of you talking about using the PL for concrete on fillet to prevent this problem! Is this the correct stuff in the photo on the left?????????? It is about the only Concrete cement stuff I saw at my Lowe's store, will this stuff not gas off? I will post many more pics of my progress shortly. Thank you
 

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Phazer230, I did mine this winter and didn't foam it. All my buddies with Parker 25's and Davis 25's and such are of course built structurally with no floatation in them. I overbuilt mine, it's much stronger than it was with the rotten deck, rotten foam, and rotten transom that I used in the Northwest Pacific Ocean over the last 4 years. So I have an empty bilge right now for the first few months during which I'm deciding when and if I'm going to add floatation. I probably will in the form of anti freeze plastic jugs, (it's only a 16 foot outboard tri hull), but until then, I've used it many hours in the ocean this way without floatation and couldn't be happier. It's only slightly noisier on the hull than it was, but it sounds like the more expensive boats mentioned above. I hose wash the blood on the decks down into the bilge, and pump it out. The deck is designed to leak water into the bilge for pumping. 1800 gph's worth of pumps down there. I guess if I'm going to run without floatation, I should have extra pumping capacity and batteries (3 batteries) to power them.

Just be prepared to swim if it fills up with water real fast because without the foam you won't have much to hang onto after it fills up, because it's GOING DOWN. That means wear your life jacket.
 

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Nice work on the Engine mount? Does the hull seem to be structurally sound with littl flex in it when you're walking around in there? If so then you prolly don't need the foam for structure, but again I DO recommend it for safety and also for sound dampening. It makes a tremendous difference.
 

Phazer230

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Not much flexing at all Woodonglass But I am only about 140 lbs. The boat seems extremely sturdy and it is sitting on one of the worst trailers to have it on too "roller" . I notice no flex at all, boat hull must be made well, but stringer system and floor made very poorly. anyone know if that concrete PL will be good for fillet? No bubbling"?
 

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Great looking work man. That glassing, tabbing, etc is an art form and looks like you've got the hang of it.
 
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