First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

madgadget

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Hi All,

Yesterday I picked up a seized 115 I6 engine complete of about 1979 era. It apparently died due to not being winterised over our last winter, although I find that hard to believe having now stripped it down.

So story goes like this. found a cheapy engine on ebay I have all the gaskets required and seal kits to rebuild already. I go to inspect and the gearbox is free and engages gear ok, so thats a start. The rest looks complete. I ask what's happened owner said they were ill. It was running last summer and has since sat on the back of his boat in the harbour until the beginning of this season.

I pay him his money and take it home. I begin to think about this further and when I get home noticed that the elec solenoid is seized, the bottom two carbs are seized and generally its not looking too great. Even the starter was siezed.

Anyway a couple hours later I had the powerhead off the mid section, the exhaust plate and covers off, the transfer port cover off and finally the back plate to the engine. I could see that the corrosion in the ports was fairly extensive, and more to the point the engine seemed full of silt.

I nearly had a heart attack when I took the carbs off. The float chambers were full of corrosion, the springs the push the needle valves were totally rotted away - and again he said this was used last summer.

Even the internals to the fuel pump had rusted.

So anyway. I decided to see if I could get the crank out.

I managed to remove the two bearing end caps. The top bearing is seized totally, the bottom on reluctantly does turn. Thats a start?

Knowing that there was no chance to get the crank out with the pistons connected I had to find a way to disconnect them. In the end I had to drill the heads of almost all of the conrod bolts. That took a few hours but it worked like a charm. So now I had the crank out of the way.

I was then able to pull out with little force three pistons, which made me feel a bit better given the state of it. The other three I had to press out using a bar through the spark plug holes. They actually did come out ok and without damage.

So this is where I need some help.

Can this be repaired? I mean I have the skills to assemble/clean etc, but will it work and how bad is too bad before I can attempt a rebuild. Please look at these pics:

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

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Now I took piston that looked the worse and decided to try and clean it up. Lightly bolting the conrod in a vice I wire brushed the piston, and all the corrosion came of it fine. Its slightly pitted but thats about all. All the rings are however seized too.

I also took the worse bore and also gave that a clean out. All the sand came out from above, but oddly other than a small amount of pitting they seem ok. I think that honing may bring them back to life quite well?

So is this do-able? How bad for example does the pitting on the crank need to be before its too bad and considered scrap?

all the piston crank end bearings freed up fine, even a very light bit of fine wet&dry sandpaper almost entirely removed the markings. But the worse two bearings are the middle two crank ones. How worried to I need to be? I should beable to get pics on wed when I'm back in my workshop. As for the carbs, I'll also get some pics of those later. They may be beyond repair I dont know yet.

One other thing. My pistons as you can see have three rings. Is this how I should also put it back together? I thought i read somewhere that two piston rings will work fine and have less friction?

Any help or advice from someone who has done this before would be so awesome. I've never split a marine engine down this far before!

thanks :)
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

If no one responds here I would try posting same info on fiberglassics.com in there Mercury section. A lot of in liners on there that will chime in. Also facebook inline 6 Mercury Outboard Motor Fans may be another option...I am not "qualified" to respond sorry.
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Ah shall look into it thanks.

Any other info anyone else has please feel free to respond! :)
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

The block is salvageable if you bore it but from the looks of rods, they and the crank is toast. As you posted it going to need a lot of other parts. Your best be if you want to rebuild a I6 is get a running one off Craigslist. This motor is going to cost you a lot $$ in parts and time looking for them.
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

A regular machine shop will probably not be able to blind hole bore that or dead end hole,whatever you want to call it,they have to stop exactly at the dome cut. There are some people out there that do that.
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Have to remember in the UK you cant get a running one for under the equivalent of $1200us.

With regards to the rods, I should have wiped them clean before I took the pics. The surfaces seem to clean up really well, that's just the lube I put on everything, that makes them look so horrific. None of the crank end conrod bearings were seized and also I've split a piston end to take a look at that from the worse one above and they looked absolutely fine too.. (you can tell im trying to convince myself cant you...)

I'm really hoping all is not lost, or I'll just sell the gearbox and try and make something back on that, and trash the rest of it. :(

What I'll do is clean some bits up post here and see what people think....
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Ok had a good look at the crank today and got some other opinions, and sadly yes - as much as I didn't want to accept its scrap.

So I have potentially found an older but good powerhead from an older i6 115 with distributor. Is it possible to fit this, and is it possible using the parts I have from this to convert it to CDI? For example are the blocks the same?

Thanks again :)
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Sorry but 3 words apply here."Any worth fixin"...Find another one and save what you can for spare parts....I suspect that engine has sat UNDERWATER...how much did you give for it?
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

I have potentially found an older but good powerhead from an older i6 115 with distributor. Is it possible to fit this
If it was mine I would repair the newer(1979 ADI) engine block, use crank,rods,main bearing & reed block from older engine as they will fit. Install new low dome ported pistons,check reed stop height, do the restrictor mod's, salvage/scab the carbs together and you should have a decent engine....
is it possible using the parts I have from this to convert it to CDI? For example are the blocks the same?
No the blocks are not the same, you can install a ADI front on a older block but it is a PINA and will require machining the block and making a bracket to mount the switchboxes as the older blocs have no mounting bosses cast on them. Below is what happens when you REALLY run lean, you leave piston in bottom of bore:eek:


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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

WOWWW That pic is AMAZING. I work with highly tuned turbo cars, and have not seen anything like that ever! Incredible!

Ok another question then.

The bottom of my block, has a rotted waterway which feeds the block from the pump. basically I can see the outer wall of the bottom cylinder if that makes sense. If the rest of the block is ok, is this a major problem?

Oh and I think my carbs are shot beyond repair too on this 115, all the float chambers are full of corrosion (I do wish I knew what the prev owner did to it)

The alternative is to just stick the power head with the distributor on it, but I really dont like the idea of having a distributor on an outboard...


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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Faztbullet, are you able to tell me more about what you mean with low dome ported pistons?
 

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Faztbullet, are you able to tell me more about what you mean with low dome ported pistons?
The difference is .100" between the height on the "eyebrow" on pistons. Total heights are usually 3.300" ( from bottom skirt to top "eyebrow" ) for a low dome and 3.400" for a high dome. This is relates to about a 10-15 psi reduction in cylinder pressures. From looking back at your pictures that is a 90 hp as block & pistons are not power ported.



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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Gave the block a bit of a clean up today.

Rather than post all the pictures here (thats a pain and makes the forum slow to load) I have put them here:

http://www.edsworld.co.uk/projects/115/115/

My pistons are not in any way ported. So could this be a 115 crank rated that would then be called later a 90 prop rated?
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

My pistons are not in any way ported. So could this be a 115 crank rated that would then be called later a 90 prop rated?
Sorry but no as the ADI 115 would be ported and the 90 would not. The early 115's (mid 70's) did not have power ported block & piston and had BDI ignition...
 

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Re: First I6 115 rebuild project - advice would be awesome :)

Ok so someone must have changed the power head at some point, I'm just trying to understand how this all works. Did you have a look at the pictured with the corrosion above? What do you think?
 

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Ok so bin the whole thing then. Oh well.
 
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