First test drive - boat won't plane

Gas Giant

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I'm not sure if I should put this here or in an engine topic....I apologize if I got it wrong.

The boat is a 1988 Cobia 17 foot center console, with a 1988-ish Force 50 motor. The engine starts and runs wonderfully - I just bump the key and it fires. It also has great compression (135 on each cylinder) and is running on both cylinders. The disadvantage to this engine is that there is no power tilt setup, meaning that to adjust the tilt I have to move a metal rod to one of about 5 different settings. (with the engine off of course, because one has to be standing behind it to do this)

So, I took it for a test drive in the river on Thursday. The boat didn't behave as well as I hoped - it wouldn't plane out, and engine didn't want to rev to WOT. I base this purely on sound, as I don't have a tach yet since 20-pole tachs aren't that easy to find or that cheap. The engine ran smooth as silk, but it just wasn't making maximum power (almost sounded like half-throttle, but who knows for sure) and it was pushing the bow up but not planing out. The boat was also moving along pretty darn slow, but making a huge wake.

We went to an island in the river where I tried adjusting the trim somewhat. On the way out, it was set at the furthest hole from the boat. I adjusted it to one of the middle holes, but it made no difference in how the boat performed. When we finally got back to the boat ramp, I had nearly burned almost all of my 6 gallons of gas, despite the island and boat ramp actually being within sight of each other (albeit they are still pretty far apart)

I think I may have a combination of problems. The first thing I'd like to point out is that I believe my anti-cavitation plate is down too low on this engine - its around 1.5-2" below the lowest point on the transom. See if you can tell what I mean in this pic:

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Does that look too low? I couldn't get a clear picture of what the symptoms of having the engine mounted too low are from doing various searches, so I am not sure if this is a problem or not. However, if it is, I am going to have to get a jack plate, as I can't go up any more mounting holes on the engine.

I have no idea what the angle of the prop is - could this also be a culprit?

As far as weight distribution, I was in the center of the boat (around 225 lbs), the battery, engine and gas tank were near the back of the boat, and my friend (probably 235-240) was sitting on the seat near the bow of the boat. I may be able to relocate the battery if I do some wiring, but there really isn't any other place to put the gas tank.

I also checked the WOT setting of the carburetor, and with the control lever at wide open, the carb butterfly is horizontal, so that is set up correctly.

Anyway, any ideas are greatly appreciated, as I feel that I am getting really close to having a working boat for the first time in my life! :grin:
 

emoney

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Y'up, that's way too low. Also, that 50hp is going to be just barely able to push that boat. I like those Cobia's but they were never considered the skinniest prom queen. Start by re-mounting your motor, if there's enough room to move it up to where the cavitation plate is right at the bottom.

Sorry, I see the "jack plate" comment now. Also, have you checked things like the transom, floor, stringers for rot? Those aren't the best pics, but it sure looks like there's some cracks in your transom. I'm asking because you'll find plenty of threads on here where guys removed 300 lbs of wet foam which will also affect your performance. Put a pic of the top of the transom up, and some closer shots of where the motor bolts in.
 

mr 88

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

I agree that it is way underpowered.You can see the old indents from a different motor that was on her.With out knowing the Hp capacity I would guess the minimum for that setup with the weight you are carrying to be 65-70 and 80-100 to be more ideal.Moving the battery and any other weight up to the bow is not going to solve the problem. Also agree that you have a long shaft setup on a short shaft transom.As far as weight take it to a recycling yard and weigh the setup after you have researched what it was when new.The prop is probably pitched for a much smaller and lighter boat, getting a smaller pitched prop will have you running it a WOT all the time just to keep her on a plane,if your lucky,and eating gas like there is no tommorow.Weigh it and start looking for a larger motor,quite often you can buy a complete older setup for 500-700 on Craigs,then jettison the boat and sell the trailer
 

Fireman431

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Aside from raising the engine up (yes, it's too low), check the boat for trapped water under the deck. If the boat is only holding 50 gallons trapped in the foam or between stringers, that's and additional 417 lbs. I'm also inclined to agree that a 50 HP engine is too small for that boat. Most 18' boats don't come with less than a 100-115.

If you find the boat holds no water and you get little relief from a jackplate, you can always look at rrepitching the prop. You'll loose your holeshot, but you can gain speed on the top end.
 

archcycle

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

+1 way underpowered

I have a 16' cape horn which is pretty similar in characteristics to your boat. With me and another person it would take a bit to get on plane with the 90 that came on it, and yours is bigger than mine. If I had several people on board we would have to move people to the front to get it on plane without a long wait, and that's 40hp larger than what you're running.
 

H20Rat

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

You COULD raise the motor, find a different prop, and empty out all the water logged foam. I doubt it would help you very much if at all. I agree with the previous posters, that boat is drastically underpowered, and that little 50 force pontoon motor (not exactly a powerhouse) is doing as much as it can.
 

Gas Giant

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Picked up an 85hp Johnson and got mounted. Did all the routine maintenance stuff (water pump, lower unit oil, thermostats, carbs, etc). Got it to the point where it fires up with no problem at all.

I was getting the boat cleaned up for a test drive, and I saw stress cracks on the transom - large ones. So, it looks like I'm scrapping this hull after all.
 

NYBo

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Transoms can be repaired. Head over to the Restoration section before doing anything hasty.
 

Gas Giant

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

NYB, I was looking into that awhile back, but I'm not sure its worth the effort - the entire deck is spongy, and I'm confident the entire boat below the deck is waterlogged. I'm sure it could be brought back, but this would be my first shot at something like this......
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Yup, sounds like you're at the point where you have to decide if you want a big project, or a new(er) boat. Both have their upsides. Of course, there's also the possibility of doing both!

Do everyone a favor though, save some pour soul and don't advertize it as excelent condition, needs nothing, ready for the water, etc if you decide to dump it.
 

ezmobee

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Time to find a nice aluminum hull for that 85.
 

Gas Giant

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

DuckHunterJon - I definitely wouldn't do that! (That's how I got this thing in the first place - I was the poor unsuspecting soul who didn't know any better). I was actually considering scrapping it or giving it away after I took everything off it I can use. I'm keeping the trailer though...

ezm0bee, definitely worth considering. I have a '60 Orlando Clipper that's aluminum, however its too small for the 85. (I've also been fighting with the Lark III on that boat - it won't spark!) I've seen a few aluminum Starcrafts for sale locally over the last few months - its definitely something to think about when I've got the cash in hand.
 

ezmobee

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

I've seen a few aluminum Starcrafts for sale locally over the last few months - its definitely something to think about when I've got the cash in hand.

A 16-18' Starcraft (or equivalent) would be ideal for your motor.
 

Gas Giant

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Re: First test drive - boat won't plane

Good to know! I'll start saving my pennies!
 
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