(fishing) What is a fair price for my boat?

[gtochris]

Im in the north east so i wont list it till March since it's winter now.

My winter wheels are turning, I have a certain boat upgrade in mind.....

I know it is the standard cookie cutter 19ft bowrider, but I spent alot bringing it up to date and it shouldnt need ANYTHING from the next owner! Some notable items: new carpet, new gimble/ bellows, impeller (2010), engine runs great (3.0L Merc), no interior tears/ stains/ abnormal wear, exterior i've wetsanded and polished to a shine along with replacing all decals/ graphics, no fade! I also had new bow/ stern cover made this year and includes a bimini and trailering cover. Boat was never in salt water, Downer is, it was in a lake that called for bottom paint prior and its flaking off in the stern area so not that pretty. Outdrive was never painted and obviously never in salt.

Trailer is a 2010 with brakes and over-rated, I'm debating selling them separate.

Is 5,500-6K reasonable for the package?

 

[Bob_VT]

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Nadaguides.com

Pricing	Suggested List Price	Low Retail	Average Retail
Base Price:	$14,614	$3,910	$4,460
Options: (add options)
TOTAL PRICE	$14,614	$3,910	$4,460
Don't make a $4,460 mistake, get a Boat History Report before you buy! the 3900 is LOW and the 4500 is average

 

[NYBo]

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Unfortunately, those recent repairs and upgrades don't add anything near what they cost to the sale value, although they will make it easier to sell. I think a starting price of $5K wouldn't be out of line. You might get lucky and get a little more.

 

[tpenfield]

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You have got NADA value of $4,500 for the boat, and figure $1,000 for the trailer. So, $5,500 is not too bad.

 

[produceguy]

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That's a nice set up. I think your priceing is right on.

 

[gtochris]

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That's a nice set up. I think your priceing is right on.

Thanks.

I paid $4500 for just the boat in 2009 before I spent the $1800 on the trailer (new), and the covers/ engine tune up parts and everything else. I know I'd never get everything back but dont want to give it away as I know I'd regrette it Essentially I see it as a boat that shouldnt need anything for a few years outside of normal maintenance.

A few people have said to forget the value of the trailer, but if that is so- then I want to keep it and sell it privately! Heck, I see all kinds of junk trailers people are trying to push on craigslist, This one has been garage kept it's entire life so $5000 for the boat and $1000 for the trailer?

 

[DuckHunterJon]

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Thanks.

I paid $4500 for just the boat in 2009 before I spent the $1800 on the trailer (new), and the covers/ engine tune up parts and everything else. I know I'd never get everything back but dont want to give it away as I know I'd regrette it Essentially I see it as a boat that shouldnt need anything for a few years outside of normal maintenance.

A few people have said to forget the value of the trailer, but if that is so- then I want to keep it and sell it privately! Heck, I see all kinds of junk trailers people are trying to push on craigslist, This one has been garage kept it's entire life so $5000 for the boat and $1000 for the trailer?

I wouldn't say forget about the trailer, but it definitely won't be worth what you paid. I think you are in line with around half what you paid. As other's said, it won't add as much to the value of the boat as it will in making it sell quicker. Good luck with it - whatcha upgrading to?

 

[sschefer]

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Craigslist strategies are many. I always price it high and let the buyer work me down to what I actually want. If I don't get any bites on the first pass I drop the price a little. Craigslist buyers watch adds for price drops and always expect you to keep dropping so if it doesn't sell after the first drop, I pull the listing and wait a few weeks. Then I'll re-list it at the same price and say something like cash only. This can make a prospective buy believe you had it sold but the financing fell through and that can sometimes make them think that the price is fair. Sales is 50% product and 50% tactics. Selling a boat in the off season can be profitable because everyone thinks your in need of cash. Set the price high and let them grind you so they think they're getting the deal of the century.

 

[gtochris]

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whatcha upgrading to?

We have a friend with a 2003 Baja Outlaw 20ft 5.0 MPI we might buy, the boat is georgious and he is the origional owner. My concerns are- can it pull a wake board slow enough- and can I live with a tight cockpit / closed bow? I would prefer another bowrider- but this thing is so nice I might be swayed... I just hope I'm not star struck right now and going to regrette selling my current boat or keeping it for a bit longer.

In my head, I always pictured an upgrade of a 21-23ft bowrider- something sporty- exhaust/ V8, nice graphics.

 

[Philster]

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It can pull a wakeboard slow enough. The planing speed on a 20' Baja boat isn't all that much. Baja's are light boats -- not exactly heavily constructed. I've seen families wakeboarding on boats around 20' and with 4.3L to 5.7L I/O's.

 

[gtochris]

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It can pull a wakeboard slow enough. The planing speed on a 20' Baja boat isn't all that much. Baja's are light boats -- not exactly heavily constructed. I've seen families wakeboarding on boats around 20' and with 4.3L to 5.7L I/O's.

I'm going to take it for a test drive March ish as long as the weather cooperates. I have friends with a 22ft Donzi and we would never wake board behind it as it plains too high of a speed. I was thinking for this Baja I could always get a water sack for the bow area rather drill/ install trim tabs if this is my only issue.

Your in a similar situation Phil going from a closed bow to a bowrider, having owned a cuddy, now a bowrider, and considering another closed bow- I'm hung up on thinking is this totally impractical? Granted most boating trips are 4-5 people max and no kids are involved.

 

[Home Cookin']

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in the used boat market the trailer is just a give-away. So if you are really proud of the trailer, keep it and buy an old one to stick under there. Don't price them seperately, either. It just doesn't matter, and if you say $4,500 for the boat and $1,000 for the trailer, your offer will be $4,500.

I wouldn't go over $4,900 myself. You liked it at $4,500; that's the market. And unless you are retired with nothing to do, I wouldn't price high looking for a lower price. And always take the first offer.

Consider whether, and under what conditions, you will do sea trials. After you spend 4 Saturdays giving people boat rides, you will realize it's not worth it--unless you are retired with nothing to do. Are you winterized?

Consider a short warranty instead, to let the buyer sea trial it. You have to be careful, don't offer this from the start, and put it in writing. It can work in the right circumstances.

The work you've done on it is just ordinary boat expenses; you can't get it back. Your waxing, etc. won't increase the vlaue; it will just make more buyers comfortable with it. Even if you get your $4,500 initial purchase out of it, you are coming out ahead--you got two seasons of boating out of it.

 

[Philster]

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I'm going to take it for a test drive March ish as long as the weather cooperates. I have friends with a 22ft Donzi and we would never wake board behind it as it plains too high of a speed. I was thinking for this Baja I could always get a water sack for the bow area rather drill/ install trim tabs if this is my only issue.

Your in a similar situation Phil going from a closed bow to a bowrider, having owned a cuddy, now a bowrider, and considering another closed bow- I'm hung up on thinking is this totally impractical? Granted most boating trips are 4-5 people max and no kids are involved.

At 22', you are getting up there, so not shocked that 22' doesn't offer wakeboard speed on that particular boat. Some boats of that size and with V8 power do get marketed for wakeboarding with towers, etc. Some are I/O's, too.

I was going to mention trim tabs. At 20' with trim tabs and a 5.0 V8, surely you could wake board -- that'd be my bet. Heck, if you want to cover all the details, 4-blade prop with vent holes knocked out plus trim tabs and I think it's a safe bet. Planing speed should be low enough.

As for my closed bow (Scarab) to open bow boat (Checkmate): We've got four kids. A cuddy offered a rare chance to use the potty. When we reviewed how we use the boat, where we use it and what the main issues on board were (everyone felt stuffed in the back with a loud 502 engine) we considered an open bow. Where we boat: We always are near facilities, or the kids are swimming/tubing. The outboard allows us to get to our little shack off the Chesapeake, which offers more chances to take potty breaks. For getting out of the sun, we opted for a high-speed bimini. The new boat will be as fast as the Scarab, too. The interior passenger space is night and day.

I've technically gone open bow to closed bow and back to open bow. 18' Chappy bowrider to 26' Scarab closed bow to Checkmate 24' bowrider.

 

[ezmobee]

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Nice boat and that immaculate trailer is a huge plus. However, that ratty bottom paint is a HUGE minus. If you want top dollar, you're gonna have to clean that up.

 

[gtochris]

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As for my closed bow (Scarab) to open bow boat (Checkmate): We've got four kids. A cuddy offered a rare chance to use the potty. When we reviewed how we use the boat, where we use it and what the main issues on board were (everyone felt stuffed in the back with a loud 502 engine) day.
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In the end, do you feel the 26ft Scarab offered as much usable room as the 18ft Bowrider? My concern is after the honeymoon is over, I'll
be wishing I had held out for a Bowrider again.

As for the bottom paint, I'm contemplating re-doing it but know it is a messy job and once in the water- is out of sight. It didnt look so bad until I started to hit it with the power washer.... I should have left it alone.

 

[Alwhite00]

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Maybe i missed, what year, model and drivetrain is your boat? Ok, forget it i see it in your sig im on a tablet if that explains anything.


LK

 

[Philster]

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In the end, do you feel the 26ft Scarab offered as much usable room as the 18ft Bowrider? My concern is after the honeymoon is over, I'll be wishing I had held out for a Bowrider again.

The bow rider had a different feel to the space, because you could choose a variety of seats as a passenger, some (most) of which where not near the engine.

On a cuddy, a through-hull exhaust means that the captain and front passenger aren't disgusted by the experience. Anyone else on board is just bearing through it.

Again, it's how we used the boat and who was using it. Half the trips are my wife and I cruising, tanning, dining, etc. The other half of the trips are with all four kids, ages 9-14, two boys are oldest; two girls are youngest. They want to tube, swim, etc. They want to move around. Having four kids on the bench seat at the stern = nightmare. My wife wants to look pretty on the bow. The girls don't want to be near the boys. No one wants to be stuck next to the engine away from the experience.

This is my clan; it's feedback on how we operate. For me, I figured a fast/cool bow rider of decent girth would suffice, thus the Checkmate. But we have potty options on shore and off shore.

Also, my love affair with Hi-Po I/O's is over.

My old signature used to read: "Date an I/O, but marry an outboard".

I also have a sick fixation for two-strokers (which is detectable in other threads wherein I talk about nitro powered R/C vehicles/boats.) So, let's see how the Optimax XS fills that void.

Aside from practicality, I still have ''issues''. I ordered my new rig and the dealer was trying to sell me a Verado to the point I almost had to tie him down and duct tape his mouth shut. They are backlogged and dealers are trying to move them. It's a fine engine, but I wanted something that'll punch you in the mouth... ahh... here come my issues to light.

 

[gtochris]

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The bow rider had a different feel to the space, because you could choose a variety of seats as a passenger, some (most) of which where not near the engine.

On a cuddy, a through-hull exhaust means that the captain and front passenger aren't disgusted by the experience. Anyone else on board is just bearing through it.

This is my clan; it's feedback on how we operate. For me, I figured a fast/cool bow rider of decent girth would suffice, thus the Checkmate. But we have potty options on shore and off shore.

Aside from practicality, I still have ''issues''. I ordered my new rig and the dealer was trying to sell me a Verado to the point I almost had to tie him down and duct tape his mouth shut. They are backlogged and dealers are trying to move them. It's a fine engine, but I wanted something that'll punch you in the mouth... ahh... here come my issues to light.

I think if my budget was unlimited, I'd choose a new Formula 24ft bowrider or some 22-23ft Variant of a Cobalt.

We do alot of anchoring/ taning/ swimming so I think my BR has the advantages there, however, this other boat looks sooooo coool.... and the 5.0L isnt that loud compared to some of the other boats I've been on, it's rather mild. Their isnt a Checkmate dealer around me, but I see plenty of adds for the one in MD/ Delaware your area. They make some beautiful boats!

I dont know much about the different model OB on the market, but I'm sure yours will move! Will you have some kind of Pylon? or do you need to resort to a split harness device for towing? I'm hoping to see a resergance in Outboards, not having to deal with bellows, able to tilt the engine out of the water, no gaping hole in the transome....

 

[Philster]

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I will have a pylon, but I never really minded the split tow harness thingy.

Um, yeah, if you consider 68-70 MPH moving, then it'll move. Top speed is secondary to the high cruising speed, which come in at 55-57 MPH based on everything I've read and seen, and it aligns with the engine's operating RPM and prop (3-blader @ 25p), so no reason to doubt it.

You're only about 90 minutes from a Checkmate dealer. I have a local, inexperienced Checkmate dealer 10 minutes from home, so my dealer of record is actually 60 minutes away.

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