Fixing upholstery...

JASinIL2006

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I'm in the midst of doing some major work on my boat, making it non-operational until next Spring. While the boat is out of commission, I was considering having some of our upholstery repaired. We have a '97 bowrider that, generally, has seating that is in pretty good shape. On several of the seats, though, there are colored patches/stripes that have not weathered well and have begun to crack and tear. The white fabric (vinyl?) is in quite good condition, but the blue and gold sections need to be replaced. Does anyone know if it's possible (and cost effective) to have the covers pulled off the cushions, and to replace just the bad sections?

Thanks!

Jim
 

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

You can pull the covers off yourself and take them to a shop for an estimate. You won't get anything meaningful here.
 

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

^^^^ :confused:

As an upholsterer, yes, there are a few options you can follow up on, depending on your budget.

1) Take the boat to a few local shops for written estimates. Explain what you want done. Having the blue/gold stripes replaced with either matching colors, white, or new colors should all run the same price. The vinyl is all the same price, regardless of the color. The quality of vinyls you choose will have more of an impact on cost than any color change.

2) Removing and replacing the covers will save you a lot of money as the labor in removing and recovering is the lion's share of the work involved. Be aware though, it's more difficult than you may think, depending on the seating configuration. Although the staples on the bottoms of the seats are obvious, the majority of seats have hidden rows of staples inside as well, which is what provides the countours of the seat.

3) Bring one seat at a time to a shop. believe it or not, you may get a better price on "piecing" the work than if you brought in 10 seats. A lot of times, there may be an hour or two left in the day when a shop doesn't want to start a new job, but it's too early to shut down. They will then take the small jobs that are laying around and knock them out. My shop does a lot of little repair/patch work for people and I usually charge just enough to cover the shop help or materials cost.

4) Bring in a seat and have them show you how to remove the cover and replace it. It may provide you the opportunity to determine whether or not you want to tackle any of the additional cushions yourself.

If you decide to do any of them yourself, you will need: an air compressor, a pneumatic staple gun, stainless steel staples, ample supply of "slip-eeze" (clear plastic which helps the vinyl slide over the foam and protects it from water), and any replacement vinyl trim.

If you have any further questions or require any additional information, feel free to PM me and I'll help however I can.

***Sorry if any of this wasn't meaningful :rolleyes:***
 

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Well, depending on whether or not you have any previous sewing experience, you could always make an attempt at it yourself. I just redid the cushions in my bowrider, and they turned out pretty good. Of course, I didn't do them in stripes, just solid colors. Believe it or not, it wasn't that bad, just takes some patience.

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JASinIL2006

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

Thanks, Fireman, that's very helpful. It sounds like it's not outside the realm of possibilities to just replace the stripes... maybe for less money than replacing all the vinyl? I don't mind having a shop doing the removal and re-installation; I have my hands full with a transom replacement.

Gpayne, those look nice, but I think I'll be busy enough without adding to my list of things to do. Besides, I've tried sewing a couple of times, and it wasn't pretty! I can't imagine the mess I might make of heavy material!

Jim
 

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Thanks, Fireman, that's very helpful. It sounds like it's not outside the realm of possibilities to just replace the stripes... maybe for less money than replacing all the vinyl?

Yes...less money, in both materials and labor.
 

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

My concern would be the fact that all the vinyl is the same age. If some is old and cracked, the other probably is not far behind.
 

JASinIL2006

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

The white vinyl really is quite good shape... it's pretty supple and soft and doesn't seem to be hear cracking anywhere in the boat. The colored stuff -- dark blue and gold -- is in much, much worse shape, especially the gold stuff. It's really surprising how much worse it is.

I'm going to take in one of the seats and and see what a local upholsterer says. Is there any seasonality to the business (i.e., less work for them in the winter)? We're in the Midwest and this is not a big boating town, so I doubt that other boat owners will be lining up for upholstery jobs. Don't know if there are other things that might send them business in the Fall and Winter, though...

Thanks for the good ideas! Fireman, I wish you and your business were about 1000 miles to the north and west!

Jim
 

JASinIL2006

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I know this is an old thread, but since I started it, I wanted to update it in case anyone in the future is searching for info on this topic.

I took the worst of the seats -- the big sunpad over the motor enclosure and the two seats that form the split bench in the rear of the boat -- to a local upholstery shop. We picked out some marine vinyl that matched the interior trim of the boat. The vinyl that had gone bad looked gold, but it was originally a metallic silver that had aged badly. (We selected a non-metalic grey that was very close to the original silver.) Per Fireman431's suggestion, we made sure the quote included new Slipeeze and stainless steel staples.

We had the option of letting them disassemble the seats or taking them apart ourselves and saving $100. I chose the latter. They asked that I take lots of pictures as I took the seats apart, to help them when it was time to put it back together. The disassembly wasn't bad, although there were about 8 lbs. of stables I pulled from those things. I also took the opportunity to replace a couple of small wooden pieces of the seat frame that were showing some wear.

The shop had our stuff for about two weeks. We just got the seats back yesterday and they look really nice! I was a bit worried, after taking apart the seats, that the non-damaged vinyl wasn't as good as we first thought. After seeing it back on the seats, though, I'm really pleased with it, and with the work the shop did. It looks really nice. We have some seats in the bow that also need repair (but are on hold for financial reasons!) and now I can't wait to get them done, too. That will probably have to wait until next year.

Were it not for this forum, I would never have considered that I could have the seats partially recovered and that it would look so good.

Now I just need to get the boat done so I can reinstall them...

Thanks!

Jim
 

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

As the iboats saying goes, "Pics, or it didn't happen." :attention:
 

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Sounds like you found a good shop, JAS. Thanks for the update.
 

Fireman431

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Glad all worked out for you. The majority of work that I do is marine related (in Florida....go figure), and I do everything from simple restapling to custom construction of helm seating and seat restructuring. Many clients I have had over the years who have moved away simply box up and send me their covers or send me dimensions and I'll create them and ship them back. Glad you found someone close that you can trust. It seems to be a dying trade, at least around here.
 

JASinIL2006

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Not the best pics, but here are some images of the repaired seat cushions. The grey part is the part that was replaced.

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Jim
 

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

Hi JASinIL,
Just test a shop here in Phx. I brought in my bow cushion, just the vinyl. I also had given him 3/4 of the vinyl. He had to supply 1/2 a yard of vinyl to complete the job. Cushion measures 40" X 26.5" X 10.5" (trapazoid in shape). He charged me $100. Do you mind sharing what you paid? Because I think I paid way to much just for stiching and 1/2 yard of material/vinyl.


I know this is an old thread, but since I started it, I wanted to update it in case anyone in the future is searching for info on this topic.

I took the worst of the seats -- the big sunpad over the motor enclosure and the two seats that form the split bench in the rear of the boat -- to a local upholstery shop. We picked out some marine vinyl that matched the interior trim of the boat. The vinyl that had gone bad looked gold, but it was originally a metallic silver that had aged badly. (We selected a non-metalic grey that was very close to the original silver.) Per Fireman431's suggestion, we made sure the quote included new Slipeeze and stainless steel staples.

We had the option of letting them disassemble the seats or taking them apart ourselves and saving $100. I chose the latter. They asked that I take lots of pictures as I took the seats apart, to help them when it was time to put it back together. The disassembly wasn't bad, although there were about 8 lbs. of stables I pulled from those things. I also took the opportunity to replace a couple of small wooden pieces of the seat frame that were showing some wear.

The shop had our stuff for about two weeks. We just got the seats back yesterday and they look really nice! I was a bit worried, after taking apart the seats, that the non-damaged vinyl wasn't as good as we first thought. After seeing it back on the seats, though, I'm really pleased with it, and with the work the shop did. It looks really nice. We have some seats in the bow that also need repair (but are on hold for financial reasons!) and now I can't wait to get them done, too. That will probably have to wait until next year.

Were it not for this forum, I would never have considered that I could have the seats partially recovered and that it would look so good.

Now I just need to get the boat done so I can reinstall them...

Thanks!

Jim
 

JASinIL2006

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Re: Fixing upholstery...

We paid $320 for 3 cushions (one large sunpad and two seats that, together, form rear bench seat). That included the vinyl, stainless steel staples, and labor for the sewing and replacing the fabric on the seat bases. (We took them apart and saved $90).

Jim
 

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I charge 80. Per hour so I don't think that's to out of line. The cutting and sewing does take some time...jimmy
 

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Boat upholstry is so easy, its not even funny. Most fabric is not sewn, its stapled to the plywood base. Lots of stainless staples,. Just overlap the loose seams, staple them and move on.
Boat upholstry is also designed to fail. @ the more seams, the more fancy 'pipeing' the more sewn seams, the faster it fails. the thread fails long before the fabric, and seams provide 'leaks' to trap moisture behind the fabric.
We bought a 97 EbbTide. Engine cover/sun deck was failing, seam splits on all seams. We removed it, found water intrusion had ruined both foam and wood.
We cut new wood, replaced foam, covered with one peice fabric, reinstalled, and one day later, back in service.
We have done everything from bow rider tuck pleated to bench seats, and find nothing hard about cuting new useing old fabric for patterns, stapleing fabric to plywood, or cutting new plywood and foam....
 

Fireman431

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Boat upholstry is so easy, its not even funny.

As a 20 year upholsterer specializing in marine upholstery....I can safely say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Show your work.....
 

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With out offending anyone.......yea what fireman said!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess its all in what makes you happy
 
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