Fix'n what aint broke!

CharlesW

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When I read the many posts about doing some timing adjustment, carb adjustment, decarbing, prop changing, what ever, I have to laugh when the last line is quite often, "The motor runs great, but..."<br />Hey, I'm guilty of this,too, but why do we think we need to mess with something that "runs great"?<br />When I asked my mechanic about synchronizing carbs, and adjusting timing, his first question was "why do you think you need to mess with it?" He made the comment that things very seldom change on their own, it's usually the tinkerers, (like myself), that cause the problems.<br /><br />Charles
 

quantumleap

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

Because some of the consequences of scoring cylinders because of not decarbing, or running at the wrong RPM's because of wrong prop pitch, or ruining a powerhead due to impellor failure are all things that happen to an engine that was "running great" right before it takes a dump due to not performing preventative maintenance.
 

BF

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

also, I think that in the "runs great, but..." sentence, usually the stuff that follows after the "but" is a description of how in some way it's not running great.... e.g.'s hard to start, fouls plugs, has a dead spot in the throttle range, won't idle well etc...<br /><br />convert, "runs great" to "more or less runs alright" as you read it, and it won't bug you. On my motors that do run great, as said above, there is still preventive maintenance to do... impellers, gear oil, plugs etc. to keep them running that way for years to come.
 

JB

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

"Preventive Maintenance" is just that, maintenance to PREVENT things from breaking.<br /><br />Once they break corrective maintenance is a lot more expensive and often needed at a very inconvenient time.
 

CharlesW

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

Didn't knock "Preventative Maintenance" in any way. All my equipment gets regular service/maintenance and I think the number of years I am able to keep it "running great" reflects that. Boats as long as 19 years, vehicles as long as 14 years, motorcycles as long as 19 years. That doesn't happen without maintenance, but I don't fix what ain't broke, either.<br />What I don't understand is why does the timing that hasn't been touched now need to be changed? Why do the carbs that haven't been touched now need adjustment? Why does the prop that has been turning the recommended RPM for some time now come into question?<br />Maybe I don't understand motors, but I was under the impression that those things don't change themselves. If things were adjusted properly to start with, they should stay that way. <br />Or maybe they do change themselves??? :confused: <br /><br />Charles
 

BillP

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

Parts wear and tolerances change. Electrical devices on boat motors are highly sensitive to low voltage and corrosion make it worse. Measuring and checking lets you know this stuff is in or out of spec before it hits the fan.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

Have you ever noticed that if you run a tank empty, that just before the motor starts to lose power, it seems to pick up a little bit? That's caused by the motor leaning out. Now, imagine the leaning out being caused by a slightly gummed up carburetor. Say you've let it sit for a month when it seemed to rain every weekend, or you got a little bit of older gas in the tank from last season. The carbs may lean themselves out. You may sense it as the motor "running great", when in actuality it's actually self-destructing by running too lean. The plugs are burning white and the piston domes are starting to melt. But it's "running great". Right up until a melted dome melts through and there goes your one nice weekend...<br />- Scott
 

MajBach

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

Thanks Chine...Now I'm gonna be paranoid everyday the motor seems to run better than normal.
 

Chinewalker

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Hi MajBach,<br /> I guess my point was that it pays to keep an ear trained on your motor. Listen to it, know what it sounds like, and notice when something changes. If it's running great, then it's running great. If all of a sudden it's running BETTER than great, then you might at least want to pull a plug or two and check the color... <br /> Know your machinery and how to take care of it, and it'll take care of you...<br />- Scott
 

Forktail

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

I think you've got to make the distinction between maintenance, and repairs. Making adjustments generally isn't maintenance, but repair.<br /><br />Maintenance of an outboard is required to keep it in good running order, giving it the best possible longevity.<br /><br />Repairs to an outboard are the result of broken, worn-out, or poorly designed parts, or poor maintenance.<br /><br />I agree with what your mechanic told you. There is no reason to adjust the timing, synchronize and adjust the carbs, or change props.<br /><br />If the outboard was set up properly, and maintained according to the manufacturers suggestions, things would only change as a result of needing repair.<br /><br />Carburetors might need a cleaning, but they don't need adjustment or synchronization unless something happened. The jets might be clogged, worn, or enlarged. Linkages might be sticky or springs broken. Needles and seats might be worn. Maybe a bad gasket or cracked float. All repair items.<br /><br />There is no reason for timing to need adjustment unless it somehow changed from its original setting. Again, a sign of worn parts like a timing belt or gear set. Maybe an electrical problem. But all repairs.<br /><br />Checking things like timing and carb sinc isn't a bad idea. But not a maintenance requirement. IMO, making adjustments on those things crosses the bounds from maintenance to repair. When making adjustments, a good mechanic will always ask "why".
 

briannh1234

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

I have toasted several motors and can testify that right before the calamity - they run great, better that ever before. So you go out and have a good time and Clunk-clunk sieze. Lucky for me I am a lake/river boater and have always found a tow home.<br /><br />The last motor would probably still be running if I had performed more "preventative maintience". I knew one of the carbs had a stuck float and I ran it anyway. Had a great ride for about 15 minutes. Now I am rebuilding...<br /><br />- Brian
 

Hooty

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

"If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it iz."<br /><br />I don't know who said that first but I sure like it. :D <br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

cggcpa1

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Re: Fix'n what aint broke!

GOTTA KEEP THOSE 2 STROKE CARBS CLEAN.... I CAN TESTIFY TO LEANING OUT AND TOASTING A PISTON.... GAVE UP ON CARBS AND WENT TO FUEL INJECTION 4 STROKE... ITS HARD TO BEAT PRESSURIZED OIL ON CRANK AND ROD JOURNALS..... JUST MO....
 
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