For those who think global warming is an ALGORE joke...

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I must assume from your post that you are a rational person that reads all the data. So tell me where the data is biased.

It's biased because it has an ABSOLUTE AGENDA.
When someone sugests you read-up on a subject, why the heck do you "request" they do your homewerk for ya? Stop being so lazy and gullable, and get to werk. But allrighty then...I'll take this stink-bait and run with it...You best be holding on!

Below, I have provided some links (underlined and in blue) for you to research. Get back to me with your composition That is, if you realy ARE interested.
All I am trying to get thru to you, is that there are many ways to spin the data, which in-turn makes it so easy to dupe Joe Q public.
Your original source shows only one angle, doesn't it?
It dismisses Professor William Gray. doesn't it?

The ACTUAL "controversy" according to wikapedia
Just call yourself "scientist" or "expert", and you're in... But you best come-up with the desired data, or you wont
get their (Or my) green.
There are as many ways to buy science as there are hands out, boatfeller. The most common meathod is with money. The most common scource of this cash is available directly to these self-proclaimed "experts", or to universtities (and we all know THEIR spin before the payoff occurs, don't we?) in the form of gub'ment grants (oink/burp). It's tragic that you have made your mind up already. Had you an open mind, it would be a good idea to read -- and that's all I am saying.
It's probably too late for you, seeing how you're liberal and have been indoctrinated by gub'ment schools througout your formative years ... They got one more robot. Some "teachers", "scientists" and "experts" are quite open and shamless about their efforts to hypnotize the masses.
Then, there are the real NUT jobs!!

For every mad "Scientist" , there is an angle to this topic, boatbouy. Some are whacked, like algore.
Some are more dismissive. My reply is not about MY knowledge of this issue, my reply was in response to another close-minded troll posted by someone with a KNOWN agenda. You'll note i have not yet expressed MY beliefs on the topic, but it aint gonna take no "rocket-surgeon" to finger it out now -- is it?
I have indeed made-up my mind , and it's not likely I'll change it.
Gore-basms exposed

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An open challenge to all "journalists"

Myths debunked on global warming

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17,000 scientists sign petition against signing-on to kioto agreement

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HYPOCRACY OF "GLOBAL WARMING"!

 

[i386]

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I don't know if our activities are contributing to global warming, but I'm not willing to just dismiss it. Scientists understand what goes on in the various layers of out atmosphere to some level. When we add a bunch of stuff to the atmosphere it's not a stretch to think it's going to have some negative effects. When we level entire rain forests it's going to have some negative effects. When you make a change to any system it effects the whole system, not just the component you changed.

I guess the thing that disturbs me the most is that any environmental issue has to be a made political. You will never see a staunch conservative speak with concern about any environmental issue. And you can be sure that anyone that does will be trashed by conservatives.

Is there any issue in which a conservative takes a stand for the (our) environment?

 

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With An Inconvenient Truth, the companion book to former Vice President Al Gore’s global-warming movie, currently number nine in Amazon sales rank, this is a good time to point out that the book, which is a largely pictorial representation of the movie’s graphical presentation, exaggerates the evidence surrounding global warming. Ironically, the former Vice President leaves out many truths that are inconvenient for his argument. Here are just 25 of them.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFiZDAyMWFhMGIxNTgwNGIyMjVkZjQ4OGFiZjFlNjc=

 

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Q: And global warming is something we should study but not get panicky about?
A: The thing to keep in mind always is that the natural fluctuations of climate are very much larger than anything we can ascribe ­ so far ­ to any human activity. Much larger. We lived through a Little Ice Age just a few hundred years ago. During the Middle Ages the climate was much warmer than it is today. So the climate does change all the time. We need to understand the scientific reasons for natural climate change. Most of us now think it's the sun that is the real driver of climate. It has something to do with sun spots, but the mechanism is not quite clear. That's what's being studied now.

http://www.sitnews.us/BillSteigerwald/072405_steigerwald.html

 

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Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

 

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Albert Einstein once said, “Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

While the gods must consider “An Inconvenient Truth” the ultimate comedy, real climate scientists have been crying over Al Gore’s global warming film, now to be released on DVD November 21st. This is not just because the ex-Vice President committed numerous basic science mistakes; they are also concerned that, as a movie that has grossed over $20 million dollars (making it the 4th highest grossing documentary ever), many in the media and public have put great faith in the veracity of the film even though much of it amounts to little more than science fiction.

Starting to look like a pretty funny joke to me.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris110706.htm

 

[POINTER94]

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I think we can universally say that we all oppose clowns like ALGORE running around in private jets telling us how our inefficient our SUV's are.

Crunch, stop questioning one of the greatest climatologists of our time. Using facts will not work on him or his disciples. Remember it is the seriousness of the charge that counts, not the nature of the evidence.

 

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BoatBouy, just let me know when you get the joke.

Al Gore's movie An Inconvenient Truth. says human-emitted CO2 will boost the earth's temperatures enough to melt the Arctic ice cap -- and suddenly raise sea levels by 20 feet.

Phooey.

First of all, let's understand just how cold the Antarctic is. Winter temperatures on its high, cold interior plateau range from 40 to 95 degrees F below zero! In the summer (December) it "warms," with temperatures dipping only to 49 degrees F below zero -- and sometimes rising within 25 degrees F of the melting point (32 degrees F). But even then, the ice reflects virtually all of the sun's rays back out into space.

However, the world's warming in the past 150 years has produced a change in Antarctica. The huge East Antarctic ice sheet, which contains nearly 90 percent of the world's ice, has been thickening. European satellites measured the ice sheet's thickness 347 million times between 1992 and 2003, and found it is gaining about 45 billion tons of water per year because the planet has warmed enough for snow to fall at the coldest place on earth.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0706/0706sealevels.htm

 

[i386]

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Pointer. I don't dispute those things you said at all. My point is that you only say those things in defense. You never see conservatives just saying those things. You never seem them making a stand or just giving the good news of what's been accomplished. People that do that are liberals, communists, socialists, environmentalist whackos, etc... Any conservative openly championing such causes risks being associated with whackos.

Just so you understand where I'm coming from. I consider myself more conservative than liberal. I also have many of the same values you do. I don't want the government (or Al Gore) telling me what I can drive either... However, I do think we as individuals can do our part. I think it's ok to be concerned. I just think the stigma that comes with it is unfair.

 

[POINTER94]

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i385,

It is somewhat of a symbiotic relationship. We need the tree huggers to call attention to issues. But to an issue I can tell you what a liberal will recommend. The problem is all the things that they forcast almost never come to pass. And when it comes to actually solving an issue they are usually relying on government to remove peoples rights. A conservative may or may not agree on the position, but when it comes to actually solving the problem, it is the private sector that produces many, not all as our universities are excellent resourses for solutions as well. But when a can do attitutude is put on task it is amazing what we can do.

Liberal solution to most things, tax it or take it.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote boomyal

I don't think that anyone can doubt the human caused Global warming is predominantly a Left Wing Cause.


You wrong there boomyal, I can doubt it, so can John R. E. Bliese, Ph.D.
I can hear the gears grinding in that noggin now aha it seems that treedancer has come up with some left wing source to prove his point ,not quite.

Here is some other points by the good doctor.

Facts and Myths about Global Warming: A Conservative Perspective.

Global warming is one of our most critical environmental problems, but it is surely the most misunderstood. There is a lot of misinformation out there, and there has also been a disinformation campaign by some special interests that want to protect their short-term profits by preventing us from solving the problem.Hhmm couldnt be the oil co.could it ?

Sea levels will rise, because water expands as it gets warmer.
As a result, we should expect coastal flooding, especially in states like Florida and Louisiana.

Unfortunately, some conservative organizations and publications have participated in this disinformation campaign. My o my this is sure enlightening isn’t it?

Another little tease before I give you the link.

Myth: There is a huge debate among scientists about whether global warming is a real problem.

False. If you look at the scientific journals, you will not find anything of the sort. The consensus of almost all climate scientists is that global warming is already happening, that human actions are causing it, and that it will cause major problems for our planet.

Of the hundreds of climate scientists in the world, there are only a handful who are still doubters. When the TV news gives both “sides” equal time, it is seriously misleading the public about the current state of climate science. The earth’s climate is enormously complex, so there are still plenty of research questions to keep the scientists occupied for a long time.

Still, the overwhelming consensus is that we are causing a serious problem for the near and distant future. The “debate” about global warming exists only on the TV news and the op-ed pages of the newspapers.

Fact: There is a greenhouse effect that warms the earth, and we should be very glad about it.

The link will follow, before I give it I would like some support from you backing up the statement that you made,where you stated that Global warming is predominantly a Left Wing Cause, where did you get that information? Sure would like to see it, perhaps have a link.

Link= http://www.repamerica.org/news/GEvol5/ge5.1_globalwarming.html
























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John R. E. Bliese, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Communication Studies at Texas Tech University in Lubbock, TX.

Communication Studies? Now there is someone right up there with Algore....

 

[Boomyal]

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....and oh yeah, in addition to ceasing our use of fossil fuels, let's tear down some hydro-electric dams to save some salmon. Yeah, we'll fix this global warming once and for all.

 

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The biggest cluster f*ck we ever created was to allowed the enviro excrement to stop nuclear plant development with just a letter and a stamp.

If you really want talk pollution, look at coal and petro fired power plants. One ejects green house gasses and particulate, the other does both and puts out more radioactive contamination per year than Three Mile Island and Chernobyl did combined... and that's each year... not a one time thing.

Until the public wakes up to the nut fringe, like "Green Peace" and Algore and his like, we will be saddled with pseudo science and a declining standard of living... or as Mike 722 puts it...Less people would provide more room and habitat for wildlife.

I'll bet he won't be first in line to make this dream come true. :|

 

[POINTER94]

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For those of you who missed it (for whatever reason) I would be happy to repost it AGAIN.

17,000 scientists sign petition against signing-on to kioto agreement, thank you 12ftr for posting it AGAIN. I assure you most here didn't even bother to look. The neat thing is most of these scientists are actually involved in a scientific field relating to global warming and not say, Communications.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

 

[Bob Fort]

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Au contrare, Pointer.

I believe global warming is real; I also know Al Gore is a joke!

 

[BoatBuoy]

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And we both know that the Petition Project is as bogus as a three dollar bill. It includes an article that was "designed to be deceptive by giving people the impression that the article is a reprint" from the National Academy of Sciences and has passed peer review. It hasn't. Nor has it been published. In fact, it contains a great deal of false and misleading statements. The proponents are the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and Marshall Institute, which receive a great deal of oil money endowment.

From the NAS, "When the National Academy of Sciences learned of the Petition Project, and that a former NAS president and a counterfeit of their own journal's publishing format were being used to give credence to it's faulty science and ideologically motivated agenda, they were understandably alarmed. On April 20, 1998, they issued this press release disassociating themselves from the Petition Project and strongly criticizing both it's conclusions and the accompanying paper's deceptive use of a letterhead mimicking their own."

The petition also contains bogus signatures, like Perry Mason, John Grisham, and the Spice Girls.

The petition's a joke and the science community knows it. Obviously it was you who, this time, drank the Kool-Aid - from a fire hose no less.

 

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I have to admit I am baffled by the arguments presented here, even by otherwise reasonably logical people. Case in point: JB's argument:
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Well, if global warming (I believe it is happening) is caused by human activity the contributions of western Europe and North America are trivial compared to China, South America (burning the rainforests) and Mexico City (most populous city on earth).

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Hmm...even assuming your facts are true which is a wild assumption, since the US consumes more than 25% of the world's fossil fuels, (and I'd hardly call that trivial) what is the point? If it is caused by human activity (and the general scientific data suggests the effects are more pronounced in the last 30 years or so...) then even if our contribution is in fact "trivial" that certainly does not absolve us from responsibility for working together with others to minimize the impact. Simply because it might be difficult does not mean we shouldn't try. Surely we have to live on the same planet, and regardless of who is to blame, we are part of the folks that need to deal with it.
(Oh, and I thought Mexico City was part of North America--did they move it?)

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I am not convinced that global warming is caused by human activity anymore than I am convinced that El Nino is caused by human activity, though AlGore hasn't figured out yet how we cause it.

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Well, Al Gore aside, there are significant numbers of sacientists (the majority) who suggest that human activity is related, and the empirical data seems to back that up over the last 30 years, where the increase of carbon in the atmosphere corresponds with an increase of this warming effect. I am sure in any issue like this hand picked anecdotal data can be found that seems to be counter to this trend, as any science this complex will rarely lead to pure black and white results)
Still, the best science available would lead the most skeptical person (unless they were funded by the fossil fuel industry) to at least be concerned.

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The mini-ice age of the 18th and 19th centuries is believed to have been caused by major volcanic eruptions. One major eruption of Krakatoa, Tambora or even Yellowstone would put us right back there.

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Hmmm... Well, I suppose could be hit by a giant asteroid and kill us all, so why bother with any environmental regulation at all? What difference would it make?

Clearly, we could suffer an eruption. no question. We can't do anything about that. All the more reason we should do what is possible to those things we can do something about.

 

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Wow, I feel like Babe Ruth pointing to the fence. Blame the messenger, don't even try to discredit their message. NAS distanced themselves from a goup that doesn't drink their kool-aid. Wow will miracles never cease. Well I guess we can ignore anything that doesn't agree with their federally funded positions.

 

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And we both know that the Petition Project is as bogus as a three dollar bill. It includes an article that was "designed to be deceptive by giving people the impression that the article is a reprint" from the National Academy of Sciences and has passed peer review.-----

And those signatures were discovered BEFORE its RELEASE to the public, stated in the preface, and openly accuses "enviro-terrorists" like those associated with Greenpiece for the attacks. They were also NOT COUNTED.
You read what you want, and discard what fails to support you alegations. That's normal tho. I guess we are all capable of that.
I'll not change your mind and you can basically forget about changing mine. Samey-same with your stand on abortion.