Force 125 Electrical Troubleshooting

rcracerx

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Re: Force 125 Electrical Troubleshooting

Thanks for the link, I downloaded the manuals and I will start testing components as soon as the weather warms up and stops raining.

Maybe a silly question but I see refrence to different types of ignition systems in the trouble shooting guide. Can anyone tell me what system my motor has? It is a 1985 4cyl Force 125hp.

Thanks
Rc
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Force 125 Electrical Troubleshooting

In 1985, your ignition is almost certainly Prestolite with plastic quick-connects. Strangely, that is the system I like best. Looks neater and has more rugged wires than the terminal board ignition system. Smaller trigger quick-connects come from under the flywheel and signal the CD boxes. Larger quick-connects come from the alternator and power the CD boxes.

FIRST, CLEAN THE PLUGS! They foul very easily and can short across the surface gap without sparking. NOW: No spark on all four cylinders is too much of a coincidence. Loss of spark on one or two would indicate a bad CD box but all four indicate two bad boxes and that is MOST unusual. The ignition system is separate and self energising. Electrical problems elsewhere usually do not affect it. If the flywheel is turning fast enough and the coils on the alternator are not broken, the CD boxes will get power.

More than likely, you have a wiring problem.----You live in South Jersey, I live outside of Philly. If you absolutely can't fix it, consider coming over the Commodore Barry and up 322. Couple of hours and couple of thousand bucks and I will have it running like a champ. ---Nah! Just kidding. Even if you needed to invest a couple of hundred in electronics, your bargain engine will still be a bargain. Once you get it running well, it will give you good service as long as you don't mistreat it. And---the white Force engines just plain looked nicer than the later ones.

Now, don't cry poverty. Set your mind to the fact that you may need to invest a few bucks. You almost certainly have gone to Atlantic City. Force outboard engines are not the nickle slots. Not even the quarters. More like dollar slots. Not the high rollers like newer Merc, OMC, etc. but not cheap either. They don't come with a roll of quarters like old people on the bus. LOL.

Seriously, Check that the quick connects are making contact and no wires are broken. Check all the grounds. BE CERTAIN that the electronics mounting board is grounded to the block. It is mounted on rubber and if the ground wire from the lower corner to the bypass cover is broken, loose, or missing, no spark at all. As I continuously repeat and repeat and repeat: I like to "daisy chain" a ground wire from each grounded coil mounting screw, and each CD box to the ground terminal on the engine. This redundant ground ensures adequate grounding to the ignition system. Like sex, you can never have enough grounding.

Lastly, if all electrical seems ok, pull the flywheel and check the center magnet. Bad or weak center magnet and the triggers will not generate the pulse to signal the CD boxes--no spark on any cylinder.
 

rcracerx

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Re: Force 125 Electrical Troubleshooting

Thanks guys, my manual finally showed up yesterday so now I should at least have 1/2 a clue as to what I am doing. :)

I have new plugs installed already. Based on your comments that my problem is most likely electrical with all 4 not getting spark I am going to get the manual out and start checking every connection one by one and see if I can find the culprit.

And I dont mind spending a few bucks to get this motor running I just dont want to spend money swapping out parts hoping to find the cure. And yes I have lost more in Atlantic City in my younger years then this whole boat cost me so I know what your saying Frank. :)

Thanks alot for your offer to bring it over to your place Frank. You are not too far away from me and you certainly know your Force motors so I really appreciatte the gesture. I am going to try and check as much as I can before I admit defeat but it is really comforting to know that I can reach out to you if needed.

Actually if you wouldnt mind after I get it running I would love to bring it by your place to get your opinion of the motor in general. Perhaps you may share a secret or two with me about proper maintenance and fine tuning the engine.

Thanks again for everyones help here on the forum. I will keep you guys updated with my progress. I just wish that the cold & rain/ice would stop so I can get out there and do some work on the boat. Makes me really wish that I had a nice big garage or workshop at the house. :(

Thanks
Rc
 
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