Force 150 performance

Deerdog

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Hello to all,<br />I am new to this board but see alot of expertise here. Maybe you all could help me with a few questions.<br /><br />I have a 1989 Arriva (made by Bayliner) that is 19 feet long. It is powered by a Force F-5, 150 hp. I bought it with only 12 hours on it in 1991 (long story here) for a steal. I had the motor rebuilt in 1994 and shortly thereafter, the lower unit. It has run great ever since with only minor adjustments. Recently I had in in for a tune up. Our friends who run the boat shop told me the motor was as good as new.<br /><br />I run a 21 pitch aluminum prop on it. It tops out at 49 to 50 at 5300 rpm, whihc is the redline on the tach that came with the boat. It will rev higher, as I have had it to 5500 but dont make it a practice. The fastest I have ever had it was 53 but that was with little fuel in it and nothin but me in the boat, and a freshly waxed hull.<br /><br />I really dont know if this is good or not for the setup I have. It has no problem pulling two adult slalom skiers out of the water. I was wondering if any of you have a similar setup to compare it to. I believe it is doing fine but would be interested in any opinions.<br /><br />thanks
 

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Re: Force 150 performance

Let me state first,that I'm not a prop guy.<br />The whole thing kinda mistifies me
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<br />But the fact that you can get 5500RPMs would<br />mean your aren't under-propped, and could<br />probably go up in pitch 1" or more.<br />But wait for a more expert reply before ordering a prop.<br />Try this link for some expert opinions also:<br /> http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboard/boatramp/index.html?a=969671 <br /><br />Tight linez!
 

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Re: Force 150 performance

Danged no-edit feature!! I meant you are currently not OVER-Propped.<br />And when you get to that link, go to top of the page. There is another thread that deals with nothing but prop setups.<br />Sorry for any confusion.
 
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Re: Force 150 performance

I have a 1989 Force 150 on a 21' Quantum fish and ski. This motor comes with a 21 pitch prop from the factory and if you go up in pitch you are only decreasing the life span of your motor. Mine runs about 5200 rpm"s at about 45 mph, but i have had it up to 5600 rpm"s at 59 mph. You are very lucky because once this motor starts going bad you are in for a ride. I have spent over $5,000 having mine rebuilt and worked on, it took over a year to get it right. Good Luck.
 

Deerdog

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Re: Force 150 performance

thanks for the info. cyberplumber, i did spend as much as you but in 94 i spent 2300 on a rebuild and then shortly after 600 on the lower end. since then it has been fine. I put a new 21 pitch on it this year, replacing the old 21 pitch that was worn. I dont intend to make any changes as I am happy with the performance. I was just curious as to what similar setups are doing. I havent had mine at 59, I dont think it would get close but it is a heavy boat too. It has no problems getting up to 49-50 pretty quick though and it is hitting close to 5300 rpm at that time. The tach on the boat says it is redline at that so I dont keep it there long. It cruises great at 45.<br />I do believe it is very good on fuel. Anyway, I did take that expensive ride. I guess it would have been worse but our feidns run the boat shop. I have a friend with a similar boat with a 150 merc and I know I get better fuel mileage although the merc will take me on top end (he can hit the mid 50's). <br />Thanks again for the replies. <br /><br />Deerdog
 

Dannysupra

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Re: Force 150 performance

I have a Arriva and its a 89. I dont think theyt are manufactured by Bayliner though.
 

Dannysupra

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Sorry, i just realized they were. I dindnt want it to be though.
 

mbb

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Re: Force 150 performance

I had a force 150, '91 vintage, it ran great while I had it, very smooth and quiet. But these motors were overrated on Hp, only make about 135 on a good day. Additional problem was lower unit wouldnt take large enough dia prop for most heavy boats that would need a real 150 engine. A merc 150 makes about 160 hp, and should run circles around it.
 

evin300

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Re: Force 150 performance

Deer, I would find out what the rated maximum RPM is for that motor and prop it with a high performance Stainless prop to reach the Max RPM or even 100 or 200 over the limit should be fine, without hurting the engine what so ever. <br /><br />I used to be extremely paranoid about "Max RPM" And many mechanics that I spoke to always said to do the max or 1-200 below. These motors are built so strong internally. If I were to describe a engine that had an Aluminum block, solid steel crank, and roller bearings throughout, you would think I would be describing a raceing engine!! Oh, I could could go on and on, but believe me, Marine service is the toughest challenge for ANY engine, and the 2-stroke engine puts out more horsepower per pound and is more durable than any engine made, and I mean any.<br /><br />Can you tell I like 2-strokes?<br /><br />I have owned 5 and have re-built 2. I currently have a Evinrude V-8 300hp which is a wonderful motor! Circa 1989 and never a problem with it. In fact the 2 that I re-built I purchased that way so I could learn from them, a 150 merc and 225 evinrude. Please learn everything you can about good maintainence, bad maint. is what takes these motors down.<br /><br />Ok so I am rambling on here quite a bit. I am not sure what you want for performance. I can tell you a story about my first boat a 16 foot deep V with a 90hp Evinrude. Great little fishing boat And it would struggle pulling a 200 lb skier on a slalom ski using a factory 17 pitch aluminum. A friend owned a 15 pitch OMC SST stainless prop, so I tried it, On the first pull it ripped the handle right out of my brothers hand, it wasnt even the same boat! I was so impressed. The motor reved higher which put me in the upper end of my rating but maintained the same top speed and all around performance was much improved. Now you will lose a gas mileage by running a smaller prop at WOT, But I personally dont lose sleep over stuff like that.<br /><br />Now back to the story. After I returned the Stainless prop, I went out and bought a 15 pitch ALUMINUM prop thinking that the performance increase that I had gained was due to the fact I had gone from 17 to 15 pitch and not so much because it was stainless. Boy was I ever dissapointed! I could feel the differnce, it was definetly more sluggish. Just a note: all of the above props were new conditon OMC propellers so I felt I had some good comparisons.<br /><br />Just remember that the RPM range rating from your manufacturer is the range that your motor creates its rated horsepower. It doesnt mean that you cant go over a little. It actually saddens me to see so many boat owners running in the lower end of the recomended range with a aluminum propeller thinking somehow they are being "safe and good" to thier motors and never really finding out what boat is truly capable of.<br /><br />Ok, now I am going to explain why aluminum isnt the way to go if you want your best performance. Stainless blades can be made thinner that aluminum, its that simple. But I will ramble some more and probably complicate it! Ever see a drag racer do a burn out to heat up the rubber on his tires?<br /><br />This creates better traction and hence effiency as he runs the 1/4 mile race. Well that little propeller back thier represents the equivelant of two rear tires on a car! The leading edges of your propeller should have NO dings, nicks, or dents as it Slices the water. If you added up the total length of the leading edges of your prop you may have a length of 24" x 1/6" Thick. Now do you realize just how important this dimension is? What if it could be made 1/32" Thick instead of 1/16"? That is a 50% improvement on a very crucial part of your prop. Think of these 3 blades literally Bashing through the water. Would you rather bash the water with (for example) with the palm of your hand? or the edge of your hand?<br />Get the picture?<br /><br />Now Deer, you seem to be pretty happy with your set-up and thats just fine! (most of us never are) But if ya want to surprise a merc or two, or just have the pleasure of knowing that you will outperform other boats in your class you would be advised to consult with a professional prop guy, He will know what would work best for the performance that you would like to achieve. I know that my old OMC prop was just a middle of the road stainless prop painted black from the factory, but yielded impressive results. I have heard alot about "Rich Boger" you can find him on the web, I think I am going to send him my prop for fine tuning. If I get a chance I will let ya know how it went.<br /><br />Well I better get goin, my fingers are sore!<br />Hope things work out well for you
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Deerdog

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Re: Force 150 performance

Thanks guys. I did consult a professional prop guy and that is how I got the prop I have on the boat now. Eventually I will go to a SS prop but the budget didnt support it.<br /><br />The boat again ran great over the week of the 4th. It has no problem pulling two adult slalom skiers out of the water - even with a couple of kids in the boat.<br /><br />My Arriva is the sloped back model with the horshoe seats around the back end. It still looks sharp. That is a fact about the 150 merc though - when this thing goes that is the next motor I will put on the boat. Right now it is doing fine. I just wanted to see what performance others were getting out of the same setup. Supra - you mentioned you had a similar boat. What are you getting in terms of speed and RPM? We ar tickled pink with ours even though it isnt a race rocket. 49-50 is plenty fast enough for me and the pocketbook.<br /><br />I have owned boats for over 20 years. My first one was a 16ft Glastron with a 150 merc on it and it would mortally fly - very unstable at top end - yes the motor was too large but the transom had been modified. It was awful on gas. Would pass just about anything on the lake but a **** gas pump. When the family got bigger we went to the Arriva and have been happy ever sense.<br /><br />I havent had any structural or finish problems with the boat either. I keep it stored in an enclosed building and baby it year round. It still looks like a showroom boat.<br /><br />Again thanks to all for the input for the input<br /><br />Deerdog
 
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