Force outboard trim/tilt

[cyazel]

I have a 93/120hp Force. Last season the trim/tilt would occasionally stop working. You would never know when it was going to happen. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. What might be the problem? <br />Thanks,<br />Carol

 

[roscoe]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

It could be......<br />A short or broken wire,<br />A worn out motor,<br />A bad relay,<br />A bad switch,<br />A stuck valve,...<br /><br />Tell us more about the situations when it stopped working. Does the motor make any noise?<br />Any clicking under cowl?<br />Does it only go up? or down?

 

[cyazel]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

The first time we had a problem, we were on the ramp, ready to launch, the motor would not raise. It does not make any noise, just doesn't move. Then I had trouble lowering it another time.<br />Thanks, <br />Carol

 

[dorelse]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

This happened to me on my 1990 90HP Force. Ended up being a bad relay which was causing a rolling ground...sometimes the relay would be ok, most times it wasn't. I replaced them both, and the problem was gone.

 

[help_ma_boab]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Same happened to me with my 40 Force. The trim up/down switch is located on the end of the T bar on my single column control. It's a bit exposed (its on a wee RIB) and gets decidely wet at times. A good spray of WD40 down the sides of the switch every now and then, with a little working of the switch, keeps everything hunky-dory.<br />I hope your problem is as easily cured.<br /><br />Bill

 

[roscoe]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

If the motor is going bad, you may be able to diagnose it. The next time it won't move, have someone else hold the switch, then tap on the trim motor housing with a screwdriver handle. If it starts after a few taps, then your motor is dying.

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

My 94 force 70 the trim/tilt most of the time will not lift, it will always lower. Some times it will raise for a short time, then will disable again. When it will not raise, it makes no noise. When it will not raise, and I want it up I lift the hood, unplug and reverse the wires, and push to lower, which then raises, then reverse the wires again. Is the switch in the control handle rough to work on? it looks about impossible. I have been thinking of tracing the wires coming out of the controll, and after finding them wire an aftermarket switch into the circuite, to reverse polarity,<br />Walt

 

[roscoe]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

lakeman, your problem sound like a bad relay to me. Sometimes they don't fail altogether, just intermitantly. They are relatively cheap and easy to replace. They are the 2 small blocks under the engine cowl that feed the wires down to the tilt and trim.<br /><br />You can test to see if the problem is in the relays by switching the 2 wires that come out of them, or switch the 2 wires that go into them, from the tilt switch.

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Hello, I lost track of this thread, thanks Roscoe, I will follow your post. cyazel, did you find/solve your problem?

 

[cyazel]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

I have not had time to check out the problem yet. Thanks for all of the advice though. <br />Carol

 

[sharkcat]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

I ve had intermitent trim problems in the past the first time it was a bad solder joint to the trim switch located at the end of the throttle lever.The second time it was a bad relay.I had down trim only.I swopped the relays & then had up trim only.Problem found.Good Luck

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Well, it is not the relay, it must be the rocker switch on the controll handle. It is in a poor position to work on or even see it. There is no obvious way to be seen in its present location to take it apart. I may just mount a two way switch on the dash, and bypass the controll untill next winter, then tear into it.

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Roscoe, do you know how in the world you get into this tilt trim switch on the Quicksiver controll.

 

[Jparen]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

lakeman. Had this very same problem on '98 40hp. I agree it's most likely one of the two relays. BUT - once you decide which one to replace, save the old one. I replaced my down relay, and it worked fine for about a week, then the problem returned. What I found out was that they work together for ground, and can indicate that one is faulty when the other is actually the culprit.

 

[BigD]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Lakeman,<br /> I had a similiar problem with my 70. Turns out the brushes were worn out in the tilt motor. I was able to find brushes that would fit from a auto alternator repair place and then replaced them. $3.85 a pair. If you go this route try a older style hardware store. After replacing mine I found out that Hardware city carry's them. Also, my wiring from the relays to the trim motor was worn clean thru the insinulation, so I replaced that first, I thought that was the cause of the problem but it wasn't. <br />Good luck,<br />Dennis

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

I am sure it is in the rocker switch, I have checked the relays, and they are OK, the down will work, and the up will not, and then when I unplug, and reverse the blue and green (up and down) wires under the hood, then it will raise, when I push the rocker for down, but will not do anything when I push "up" rocker.

 

[superglyde98]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

I have a problem with my trim/tilt on a 89 bayliner cobra. After cleaning out the garbage from the pump and putting it back together, the pump would not work at all. I have replaced the relay's and checked the wiring. Turns out I have to take the motor apart and clean and adjust the contact. It runs better and faster than ever. Still leaks down though. Don

 

[roscoe]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

lakeman1999, your last post still only narrows it down to the relays, the switch, or the wiring in between them. It varifies that the motor will operate in both directions, but does not rule out the relays.<br /><br />Instead of switching the wires, swap the relays and test it. Relays are cheap, 2 for $11 from Mercury.<br /><br />What do you have, a commander 3000, with the "3000" printed just in front of the center of the handle? <br />AFTER you retest the relays, if you really need to get at the switch, then:<br />Push in on the throttle only button at the handle pivot. Push throttle forward. You can now remove the throttle only button by pulling straight out. Remove the now exposed nut, remove handle. Then you remove the shift lock handle (screw). That exposes another screw up near the switch, remove it. Now switch can be removed.

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

Rosco, because they are not too expensive, I ruled out the relays by replacing the up relay with a new one, no change. That is why I tend too think it is in the rocker switch. But as the controll is mounted where it is hard to get a good look at it, there is no aparent way of getting into the innards of the rocker switch assembly. When the problem first started, it would work at times, and at other times not work (that is only on the up side, always working on the down side), and finally quit working on the up rocker altogether. So I have been leaving it down, and when I need it up reversing the wires under the engine cover, pushing the down rocker, which then lifted it up, then repacing the wires back to their correct connection, to lower it to running position. I surmised, that this was just reversing polarity on the motor, and making it pump in the oposite direction.

 

[lakeman1999]

Re: Force outboard trim/tilt

PS, I will check out and see if it is a 3000, and try too get into it. Thanks, will let you know what I find out.