Ford F150 w/10 spd transmission

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Have any of you experienced a 3-4 upshift lag when the engine is cold? Dealer is no help. Forums point to a whole lot of maybes but no help. It started after the last recall where they reprogram the ECM.
 

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Have any of you experienced a 3-4 upshift lag when the engine is cold? Dealer is no help. Forums point to a whole lot of maybes but no help. It started after the last recall where they reprogram the ECM.
I've heard of it, but mine is a 2012 V6 TT EB with the 6 speed auto - Ford replaced the wiring loom to tranny for free as it was really whacky, only 96K on it, how do you like your EB???
 

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Love it. Great running truck, plenty of power for towing and best of all 20 plus mpg at 75 mph with a 700 plus mile range
 

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What year is your F150? The 10 speeds are notorious for having a rough-shift up from third to fifth (they normally skip 4th unless your in a transmission mode other than Normal). Usually, the reprogram fixes it, though. It may just need time for the adaptive learning to kick in if the ECM was flashed.

Mine is 2019, and if I put it into Sport mode (where it doesn't shift gears), it is much smoother, regardless of whether it's cold or hot. Some people have also resorted to getting a custom tune, which can change the transmission shift points. Mine jump a bit out of third in Normal mode, but not enough to force me to get a tune.
 

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It is a 2019. Never had an issue until they did the recall and flashed the computer. I was told to let the adaptive learning take time. Well it has been 8 weeks since and it still does the very delayed 3-4/3-5 upshift.
 

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I've heard of it, but mine is a 2012 V6 TT EB with the 6 speed auto - Ford replaced the wiring loom to tranny for free as it was really whacky, only 96K on it, how do you like your EB???
oh - I have the max tow package w/ 3.73 gears and 4 wd
 

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oh - I have the max tow package w/ 3.73 gears and 4 wd
What kind of mileage are you getting?

My truck (Super Crew, 4 WD) comes with a 3.55 in the max tow package. Gets 20 mpg on the highway going down hill with the wind at my back.

Had a Platinum for a rental a few months back. Must of had a 3.15 or a 3.31 rear since the RPM was noticeably lower at highway speeds. Got a pretty solid 22 mpg on a 1,200 miles round trip
 

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What kind of mileage are you getting?

My truck (Super Crew, 4 WD) comes with a 3.55 in the max tow package. Gets 20 mpg on the highway going down hill with the wind at my back.

Had a Platinum for a rental a few months back. Must of had a 3.15 or a 3.31 rear since the RPM was noticeably lower at highway speeds. Got a pretty solid 22 mpg on a 1,200 miles round trip
I'll get 21.6 cruising at 70 on flat ground, average 17 - It is QUICK - I can live with that :) The 2012 Maxtow EB TT 3.5 COULD be ordered with 4.11's, mine was one owner, 96K MINT inside , LT, used ROYAL PURPLE in ALL gear boxes. I have all receipts :)
 

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I take it you have the long bed? I would have gotten the 3.73 bit not available in the shorter bed.
yup , 21' long, clam shell rear doors, got a screaming deal on it, way more truck than I needed - but hey thats happened before :)
 

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I have the max tow package, 4WD, Supercrew and it is stupid quick in sport mode. Running around Houston/Galveston i consistently average over 20, On the Interstate from Houston to San Angelo, running 80 plus on flat level ground for the most part, I average 17-17.5 Really liike that long range fuel tank too. Can run from Houston to San Angelo and back to San Antonio before needing fuel. Since fuel is over 10 cents a gallon cheaper in San Antonio or Houston than San Angelo, I fuel up there when possible.

Dealer is supposed to reprogram the computer and try to fix that delayed 3-4/3-5 upshift soon.
 

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I have the max tow package, 4WD, Supercrew and it is stupid quick in sport mode. Running around Houston/Galveston i consistently average over 20, On the Interstate from Houston to San Angelo, running 80 plus on flat level ground for the most part, I average 17-17.5 Really liike that long range fuel tank too. Can run from Houston to San Angelo and back to San Antonio before needing fuel. Since fuel is over 10 cents a gallon cheaper in San Antonio or Houston than San Angelo, I fuel up there when possible.

Dealer is supposed to reprogram the computer and try to fix that delayed 3-4/3-5 upshift soon.
I like my 36 gal tank too - I'm in Hutto, TX :)
 

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Have any of you experienced a 3-4 upshift lag when the engine is cold? Dealer is no help. Forums point to a whole lot of maybes but no help. It started after the last recall where they reprogram the ECM.
Had a ‘19, 4x4 SC V6 EB with tow package, 3.55 and 36 gallon tank. Would skip 4th and 5th typically. Also shifted with a pretty good clunk sometimes going up/down in the lowers. Not always though. Low 20’s combined up to about 70. 75 and above it plummeted. Now have the exact same truck except a ‘20 diesel and the smaller tank (extended tank not available from Ford; prefer it and the 3.31 ratio… might do both after she ages a bit). Only issue shifting is when starting, moving the gear selector right away and letting off brake. Clug, clug, clug similar to slipping or feathering a clutch. Like it doesn’t know what to do or I shifted and moved to quickly for the computer to catch-up. Not always, sometimes. 26+ combined small town and highway below 75. 75 and up drops to 22-ish. Diesel pulls far better than the V6 EB in the ‘19. Heard the motor is discontinued for the ‘22 MY. Why was your ECM flashed?
 

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Had a ‘19, 4x4 SC V6 EB with tow package, 3.55 and 36 gallon tank. Would skip 4th and 5th typically. Also shifted with a pretty good clunk sometimes going up/down in the lowers. Not always though. Low 20’s combined up to about 70. 75 and above it plummeted. Now have the exact same truck except a ‘20 diesel and the smaller tank (extended tank not available from Ford; prefer it and the 3.31 ratio… might do both after she ages a bit). Only issue shifting is when starting, moving the gear selector right away and letting off brake. Clug, clug, clug similar to slipping or feathering a clutch. Like it doesn’t know what to do or I shifted and moved to quickly for the computer to catch-up. Not always, sometimes. 26+ combined small town and highway below 75. 75 and up drops to 22-ish. Diesel pulls far better than the V6 EB in the ‘19. Heard the motor is discontinued for the ‘22 MY. Why was your ECM flashed?
Kinda interesting you think the diesel was that much better pulling.

Torque for the Ecoboost is 470lb-ft @ 2,500 RPM.
Torque for the EcoDiesel is 420 @ 2000 RPM. Maybe it reaching the peak at 500RPM makes a ittle difference but the Ecoboost has 50 more lb-ft of torque overall.

They cancelled the diesel because people weren't buying them. Personally, the small fuel tank hurt their sales along with being a diesel and its cheaper. Also, you can buy the Powerboost hybrid and get better MPG than the diesel. People are worried about down the road emission equipment costs on diesels.

Out of curiosity what does your payload sticker say with a diesel?
 

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Kinda interesting you think the diesel was that much better pulling.

Torque for the Ecoboost is 470lb-ft @ 2,500 RPM.
Torque for the EcoDiesel is 420 @ 2000 RPM. Maybe it reaching the peak at 500RPM makes a ittle difference but the Ecoboost has 50 more lb-ft of torque overall.

They cancelled the diesel because people weren't buying them. Personally, the small fuel tank hurt their sales along with being a diesel and its cheaper. Also, you can buy the Powerboost hybrid and get better MPG than the diesel. People are worried about down the road emission equipment costs on diesels.

Out of curiosity what does your payload sticker say with a diesel?
I’m aware of the published numbers. Having owned both though, the diesel pulls vastly better. I also realize why it was cancelled. It’s a shame, very good motor. The $4,000 up-charge has something to do with low build rates. At the same time, all that were made were sold. The emissions equipment is relatively tried and true after a decade-ish. Everyone from BMW to Mercedes and Audi use it, along with the big boys. We have two of these as well. One with 178,000 and still like new, the other with 48,000. The DEF tank has two design missteps. First, won’t hold an even two jugs. Second, not big enough. Each fill is about 8,500 miles. Neither should be an issue since where placed there’s additional room. Regarding towing capacity, it I recall correctly it’s slight less than than the 3.5 V6 EB I had. I’m guessing the diesel weighs more but I’ve not verified. I don’t tow with it at the top end. To close to the margin and I like to be able to stop. It’s still a 1/2-ton after all. For the heavy stuff, I use the F250 diesel I’m lucky to have access to. Handles the boat and triple with ease and room to spare. Don’t know about the hybrid, and personally don’t Iike the giant screen the ‘21 has. Looks too much like a Tesla. If I wanted that, I’d buy that and not an imitation. Plus it doesn’t fit the mission.
 

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Diesel emissions have changed a LOT in the last few years. I would never buy a diesel now in any vehicle. It's one of the reasons people are moving away from the Mercedes Sprinter diesels and going to the Ford Transit with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine. People are tired of having Mercedes diesel issues and being stranded in the middle of nowhere. A friend of mine went into limp mode with his Mercedes Sprinter and had to get it put on a flatbed and get it sent to a dealer 700 miles away.
 

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Diesel emissions have changed a LOT in the last few years. I would never buy a diesel now in any vehicle. It's one of the reasons people are moving away from the Mercedes Sprinter diesels and going to the Ford Transit with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine. People are tired of having Mercedes diesel issues and being stranded in the middle of nowhere. A friend of mine went into limp mode with his Mercedes Sprinter and had to get it put on a flatbed and get it sent to a dealer 700 miles away.
California is tightening, to this point I’ve not heard of other states but agree these are mostly dead money now like gas. California seems a bit incongruent though. They drop all that fire retardant every year when the hills are burning but fail to include proposition-65 leaflets. If you and I dropped it and didn’t leaflet/label, big trouble. We’ve had success with diesels, and I’m going to miss the range. Given the very advanced control systems on all motors, gas, diesel and electric alike, stranding is a risk. GM has an issue with their 3/4-ton gas doing this. My wife’s cousin has a new Tesla Model 3. Done it twice, granted he couldn’t get 700 miles away from the store. Sucks no matter the propulsion.
 

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California is tightening, to this point I’ve not heard of other states but agree these are mostly dead money now like gas. California seems a bit incongruent though. They drop all that fire retardant every year when the hills are burning but fail to include proposition-65 leaflets. If you and I dropped it and didn’t leaflet/label, big trouble. We’ve had success with diesels, and I’m going to miss the range. Given the very advanced control systems on all motors, gas, diesel and electric alike, stranding is a risk. GM has an issue with their 3/4-ton gas doing this. My wife’s cousin has a new Tesla Model 3. Done it twice, granted he couldn’t get 700 miles away from the store. Sucks no matter the propulsion.
Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about Mercedes built for the entire US. My friend purchased his in Arizona. He was stranded because of an electrical issue with a sensor in his emission system that sent him into limp mode.
 

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Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about Mercedes built for the entire US. My friend purchased his in Arizona. He was stranded because of an electrical issue with a sensor in his emission system that sent him into limp mode.
I’m not sure what you are talking about. You insinuate diesel is the only propulsion subject to leaving the owner/operator stranded, and that states are tightening against diesel. Stranding happens to diesel, gas and electric… equal opportunity with all the added automation. Regarding tightened emissions, is it California or others? I know it’s California because we have a location in the basin and next year the diesel straight we own can no longer be used. California is an incongruent mess. Great weather, scenery, food, and people, but an incongruent mess. Look at Proposition-65. Applies to you and I, doesn’t apply to the State. Just another example of how incongruent its actions are. Its also the reason why cats were added to marine motors in the other 49.
 
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