Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

Thajeffski

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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

25thmustang said:
Here is a Sea Ray, I know nothing about it, but $6000 for a 30' Weekender is a good starting point.
http://hartford.craigslist.org/boa/1923583893.html
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Oh well this one is out!

I asked "So what is the minor work needed?"

and he responded

"The work would come from the boat not being properly winterized this past winter. Any other questions please let us know!"


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25thmustang

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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

Jeff, good to see you making progress. Thats a shame with that Sea Ray, looked to be a nice boat.

The St Tropez is an awesome boat. Assuming it isn't trashed, it's worth a look.

If your open to many kinds of boats, whats the travel distance?? Where are you planning to keep it?
 
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http://www.portlandriversidemarina.com/30_searay/index.htm

An older Sea Ray, but the price doesn't seem terrible.

http://www.portlandriversidemarina.com/31_chriscraft/index.htm

A Chris Craft.

http://newhaven.craigslist.org/boa/1943905575.html

Another Sunrunner.

http://newhaven.craigslist.org/boa/1936503954.html

If this wasn't an express, I would probably be selling mine and buying this, lol.

http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/1918097982.html

HUGE trojan in need of a bit of work, but that you could spend more time living aboard.
 
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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

Thajeffski said:
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Oh well this one is out!

I asked "So what is the minor work needed?"

and he responded

"The work would come from the boat not being properly winterized this past winter. Any other questions please let us know!

You have to admit, other than the engines (low cost item, I know), that is a nice looking boat
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ezmobee

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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

Wow I'll say! That thing is SWEET!
 
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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

I'm struggling with the 'upsizing' question right now, too. As my wife and I spend more and more weekends on the hook, we're finding the 24'-er just a little too cramped in all respects. Forward berth is too short for me, so i use the mid-berth. Works fine and has plenty of room, but it's a major PITA to get in and out of. Head is too small, not enough storage space, no 'fixed' dinette area, etc. The usual reasons for wanting to go bigger :)

What's holding me back so far is that when I do go to 28-30 feet, my trailering days are over. The boats I like are too beamy for normal trailering, and size/weight will just be too much for me to handle. At that point, costs start to rise much faster than you'd assume from the increase in length.

Maintenance and repair costs for multiple engines/drives. $$

Seasonal and short hauls need to be done by someone else, and require me to take time off from work. Inconvenience and $$

I may or may not be able to keep the boat in my driveway, and might have to pay for winter storage in a yard. $$

Once the boat is in the hands of a yard, my ability to maintain it myself is diminished (my age is starting to work against me, too). A few will let you do some things, many do not. $$

I recently saw a very nice '97 Four Winns 278 Vista with twin Volvo FI 4.3's and SX outdrives. Good room in all dimensions for the two of us, and I can probably just about break even (that's a requirement, too) on the cost of the boat if I hold the Chris-Craft and trailer until next Spring. Question is, if I buy it can I afford to keep it?

I dunno.
 
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That Chris Craft does look good in the photos.

JoLin brings up a lot of good points. Once your in the 28+ range and over 9' beam, trailering gets harder/impossible. Now your relying on the boat being at the yard year round. It will be $500+ (unless you live close) for a hauler to move it to and from your property, thats $1,000 extra per season if you plan to keep her at home. If you don't, take that into consideration when you talk about working on the boat, especially a cheaper fixer upper. Hauling tools back and forth to the marina is never fun.

Slips, haul/launch, land storage fees. They all add up. I'm lucky that mine is all very very cheap. An average price will be $3000+ for the year in these items alone. Makes that $6000 boat, a $9000-10000 boat, just to hit the water.

I assume you have taken all this into consideration, and thats why I'm throwing all these boats for sale at you. Never hurts to look, right?
 
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I agree on the trailering aspect. The 28' cruiser is about the maximum size that you can trailer. You can pretty much count on 9-10K lbs of weight w/trailer at that size, and only the modern 1/2 tons can handle that amount of weight. A 3/4 ton almost becomes necessary depending on specific weights. I know 9800 is about the max for my 2008 F150, and that's right on the edge depending on gear/passengers.

Trailering a 8Klbs boat also becomes a 2 or 3-man operation as the weight becomes an issue in getting the boat onto the trailer without damaging the boat or trailer. Here in Okla, the cost for a slip is around $5/ft, so it may be cheaper to keep it in a slip than it is to tow it depending on how many times per month you go out. $150/mo in slip fees would pay for itself in gas saved from about 2-3 trips to the lake for me. You could even just slip the boat 6 months out of the year and leave it at home on the trailer the other 6 months if that's how you use the boat. Big boats bring a lot of trade-offs to consider regarding costs.
 
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To live aboard, you mean? I think it'll be too small for you. I don't see any storage space- no closet, no drawers. An 8.5' beam limits the amount of move-around space aboard. Head area will be tight. Nice repower, tho.

If you're leaning toward something trailerable, you need to check out a few in person.

My .02
 
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Re: Forget "2 foot itis" I have "10 foot itis"

ezmobee said:
I can't comment on it's ability to meet your needs but I can say that it's always nice to see one that's been that well maintained. Super nice boat.
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I'm starting to think 30 ft might be a tad too much for me in my present course.

I'd rather just have a single engine 25-28.

Maybe I'll just call it my "weekend apartment" - I always have my parents place to crash if the weather is too bad (then again I LOVE bad weather on the water).
 
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Personally, I agree. I dream of having a cruiser some day as well and I figure a 26' with a single engine would be a good way to start. An aft cabin is a must.
 
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The most usable space I've ever seen in a 'short' boat is the Larson 25' Hampton (some years it was called San Marino) models. They were actually made for a family of 3 or 4 to spend a night or 2 on the water.

Here's a link to Larson's archival stuff:

http://www.larsonboats.com/mylarson/

They stopped making them in the early (?) 90's, and went strictly to the Cabrio models in small cruisers. Those are more like my C*C and not very space-efficient. Anyway, take a look.

My .02
 
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Jeff,

The boat posted looks very clean, and the trailer is huge, but that will be very tight for even a weekend aboard.

My GF and I have spent a few weekends on my boat. Mines 29' long by 10'8" wide, with two fill size beds, a dinette (where we spend a lot of time eating, playing cards, etc), a good sized, usable galley (full size sinks, fridge, two burner stove etc...) and a ton of storage. Spending more than a night aboard starts to cramp us up. Even having a couple of hanging lockers, and storage along the dinette and galley, we still manage to fill these areas, even before clothes get aboard.

I think a 25-28 footer wouldn't be bad for a single person during a weekend. With that said, having the seperate bed and dinette is a big plus (for us at least). Having to fold the table down at night, and set the bed up would be annoying to say the least. Being able to stand up, walk to the berth and fall asleep is very nice. There are a few manufacturers that offer a seperate dinette and forward berth in the 25-28 foot range. 26' Sea Ray Sundancers (the 80s ones) did and are everywhere. The Larson San Marino as mentioned before did, Bayliner did this, Formula from the 80s, Chaparel from the 80s. I could probably compile a list of boats two pages long, lol. I spent a lot of time looking at this size and style boat. I now have something larger, and looking (going back aboard) back at my 27 x 8.5 express cruiser... the size is night and day different.

What is the budget for a boat, and what are the pros and cons?
 
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A friend of mine lives on a 44' Carver around Houston. I think he actually has a mortgage on the $200K boat. I don't recommend that, though.

Carver, or not, it's like financing a trailer that's going down in value.
 
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