Fuel economy

Fishburn

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I have a 1995 Johnson 65 jet (90 powerhead) crossflow that seems to laugh at 12 gallons of gas. I know that going to a jet lower unit I am losing efficiency but to blow through 12 gallons in 70 minutes of time on the machine is mind boggeling. Is there anything I can do or check to make sure something is not wrong?
 

angus63

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Re: Fuel economy

If you are operating at or near full throttle, you can expect to burn 9-10 gallons per hour with a 90 hp powerhead. Be happy it's a 90 and not a 175hp like mine :) :) :) <br />See ya at the pump!!!
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Fuel economy

You take a less than efficient motor like the crossflow V4 and add a less than efficient jet unit and you're going to drink it down like Gatorade at a track meet. Best you can do is make sure you don't run it at WOT all the time...<br />- Scott
 

dajohnson53

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Re: Fuel economy

My '83 235 V6 powerhead with aftermarket jet lower unit burns about 12 gph at 35-4000 rpm. At wot, it's probably a bit over 15 gph. Your 12 gph for a 90 seems high to me.<br /><br />As said, the jet is quite a bit less efficient than the prop - thus your 90 being badged as 65 with the jet. But for a given rpm, the gph should be the same for a given engine, regardless if prop or jet. Your speed over the water will be quite different, therefore much lower mpg for the jet.
 

Fishburn

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Re: Fuel economy

Thanks guys, that certainly makes me feel "better" knowing I am not way out of wack. I am just used to using 12 gallons of gas out of my old '63 Johnson 40 with a prop. <br /><br />Does anyone know of anything that a guy can tweak or change that helps with fuel economy (without tearing the block/pistons apart)?
 

angus63

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Re: Fuel economy

Keep her in tune and tweak the throttle!!!! :D
 

CATransplant

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Re: Fuel economy

Originally posted by Fishburn:<br /> Thanks guys, that certainly makes me feel "better" knowing I am not way out of wack. I am just used to using 12 gallons of gas out of my old '63 Johnson 40 with a prop. <br /><br />Does anyone know of anything that a guy can tweak or change that helps with fuel economy (without tearing the block/pistons apart)?
I sympathize with you, having run a similar engine last season. I did find that running at 3/4 throttle saved a good deal of fuel, without affecting speed all that much. Still, older 2-strokes are not particularly efficient with fuel.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Fuel economy

I'm not sure if this will work with all V4 Crossflows, but it might be worth looking at...<br /><br />A friend of mine built up an early 1980s V4 140 out of a parts motor, doing it all by the book, save for some mild porting to the block. He's a very meticulous type, has built hundreds of motors over the years from bikes to big blocks. Builds some of the fastes 15A Johnrudes in the country for Stock Outboard.<br /><br />Anyway, after building up his engine he discovered that although it seemed to run fairly well that his plugs were consistently dark, particularly at mid-range. He checked all he could check to make sure he hadn't overlooked anything, but came to the conclusion that it was just the way it was supposed to run. So he starts ordering jets in various sizes from our local dealer and starts testing. He loves reading plugs and is about the best I have ever seen at knowing what's going on inside a motor by looking at a spark plug. He starts leaning out the mid-range, one size at a time until he can do a shut down from 3500 RPM and get a nice chocolate read on the plugs. Had to go a LONG way to do it, too, as the stock jets were way on the fat side. Took a little fuel out of the top end and a little out of the idle end, too. Discovered that his mileage nearly doubled, particularly when you consider that most of the running is in the mid-range. <br /><br />Like I said, what he went through might not work on all V4s. Might have been unique to his motor, but it is certainly worth a look. If the plugs are running carbony black, you might be running on the rich side. A little leaner on the jets might improve your fuel economy a bit and make the engine run better to boot! This is definitely something left to someone who knows what they're doing, as it's not hard to go too lean and cook the motor. They might come a little fat from the factory as a safety margin so that the motors DON'T blow up. Once I get my new boat restored and my 90hp mounted up to it I'm going to do some testing of my own to see if it holds up for others...<br /><br />Something to think about, anyway....<br /><br />- Scott
 

ondarvr

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Re: Fuel economy

I have the same motor with a pump on it, I also used it with a prop on a different boat. I was amazed at how much fuel it sucked down with the pump, at WOT you can almost watch the level in the tank drop. With a prop I could go about twice as far.
 
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