fuel gauge always full

dhughes49

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I pulled fuel sensor it measured 30 to 248 ohms. that sounds ok to me . so I guess its the gauge ?? Im i missing anything?please advise.
 

Don S

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Re: fuel gauge always full

Did you check the wiring from the sender to the gauge, and from the sender to ground. Seems the ground wires on the senders are always the first to go.
 

dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

I looked at the gauge it had more wires than i Expected . I need a wiring diagram to help me sort it out .Im an electronic tech Im sure I can sort it out with the a good diagram.
 

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Re: fuel gauge always full

The fuel gauge system diagram has been posted here dozens of times but here it is again. Does the gauge go to "E" when the key is OFF? If not, the gauge "may" be the issue. If it does, then wiring is the issue. Shorting the "S" terminal to ground essentially is a short around the fuel sender and since 33 ohms is full on the gauge, a short is even fuller.

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dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

Thank you silvertip I would have hunted around for the diagram but i do apreciate you posting for me.
oh and yes the gauge dose go down when the key is off.
 

dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

I checked and double checked the wiring good from sender to gauge and and from the negitive on sender to neg on battery all good . Then i disconnected sender and ohmed between the two wires got 7Meg (resistance through gauge) but no shorts .Any thing else I can Check ?
 

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Re: fuel gauge always full

Don't know what you are measuring but try this instead. (again the test procedures for this system have been covered many times in this forum)

1) Disconnect the pink send wire from the gauge.
2) Key ON (gauge should be reading "E" at this point). If not, gauge is toast or "S" terminal is shorted to ground.
3) MOMENTARILY jump the "S" terminal to the GROUND terminal on the gauge. (Note MOMENTARILY - just a touch is all that's necessary)
4) The gauge should read "F" momentarily. Yes or No?
5) If yes -- the gauge is good. If No, ensure the gauge has +12 volts and ground. If present gauge is the issue but not likely in your case.
6) Measure resistance between the PINK SEND wire and ground. Depending on the amount of fuel in the tank you should read 33 ohms full tank, 109 ohms 1/2 tank and 240 ohms empty. These are rough numbers since you don't know the exact amount of fuel.
7) If readings are drastically different then the pink wire or the sender is the issue.

You said with the sender removed you measure 33 - 240 ohms which is normal for a good sender. However, when you install the sender are you certain the float arm is not hanging up on the the side of the tank? If you got incorrect resistance readings AFTER installing the sender and tightening the pink wire, you may be turning the threaded sender connection post which can rotate the connection under the sender mounting flange which shorts that connection to the vertical float support which then makes the gauge read full. Again, the picture of this is posted several times on this forum but here it is again. [See a pattern here? :) ]

As a technician you should realize the only way the gauge can read full is if it has +12 volts and ground and the "S" terminal is seeing 33 ohms or less between it and ground. Lastly -- the gauge itself is rarely the issue so that leaves wiring or the sender.

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dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

thankyou silvertip I could find nothing wrong with sender or wiring, so i disconnected the sender at the gauge and installed a 100 ohm resistor to the gauge and grounded
to the battery negitive. the gauge still went to over full .in doing this i eliminated all the wiring and the sencer. If u see a fault in my logic please point it out.I havent cornered the market on good ideas and if my logic is faulty please point it out. thanks for your help.
 

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Re: fuel gauge always full

Did you connect the resistor between the "S" terminal and ground "on the gauge". While any other ground would work, if there is a bad ground somewhere that may be impacting your results. However, that's a stretch. Try a 200 ohm resistor and see what happens. If the gauge does not go to empty or near empty then the gauge is probably needing replacement.
 

dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

I went from the s terminal to the fuse box ground (negitive). I,ll try the 200 ohm tomarrow.
 

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Re: fuel gauge always full

Although that's a valid test, you should be using the "S" terminal and ground terminal on the gauge. A simple continuity test between gnd on the gauge and gnd at the panel should be performed. Remember, the gauges are powered and typically grounded through the "engine" harness, not the boat harness. If you have continuity between the gauge and panel grounds, and between the panel ground and NEG on the battery then the ground system is ok. If not, a fix is required.
 

dhughes49

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Re: fuel gauge always full

I had already verified that the ground made it back to the negitive on the battery. I ordered a gauge and installed it today and problem solved new gauge works like a champ. Thanks to all for the help .:) The old gauge must of had an internal short.
 
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