Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

herefishy

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

Fwiw all causes of the 'incident' short of St. Elmo's fire have been discussed. 'Less you have something to add?

The OP in his op asked for our opinions of his boat as well. Confess to not being an accredited electrician but could probly pass as one. Seen a lot of James Bond'n Jason Bourne movies ...

+1

~Fishy
 

Sea Stomper

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

I'm missing something. How does a strip of rubber (a non-conductive material) ground the forklift? I'm not being critical I would just like some explanation so I can learn something.

The rubber strip spoken of often has a metal impregnation and provides a grounding path for static electricity to get to earth ground. Static electricity collects on non conductive surfaces, and dragging a metalized rubber strip on the ground brings a statically charged surface of many thousands of volts down to ground potential of zero volts, hence, the surface charge of the boat and it's parts is the same as earth ground. Better for the rubber strip to do it instead of you, or a ladder touching a statically electrically charged boat with several thousand volts on it's surfaces with an electrical bonding anomaly on the fuel tank. Anyone remember all of the cars and trucks back in the fifties that had rubber strips dragging on the ground? Helicopters are amazing collectors of static charges. If you ever grab the skids of a helicopter before it touches ground in the kind of weather that this happened in, you will be knocked on your rear so bad you won't know what happened because of the speed of the rotor blades whizzing through the air. Static charges are an amazing thing.

The more I think about it, bonding is key. If it were properly bonded, the charged surface of the boat would go from the boat's hull directly to the ladder and the tank would have never seen a problem. With the tank being able to be at a different electrical potential than the hull, any close proximity conductor to a surface of a different voltage potential could be a spark maker. This would be possible if the quantity sender were loose, creating some sort of "make and break" situation possible. The metalized rubber static discharge strip dragging on the ground would be a great idea as long as the boat's parts are bonded to each other, tank parts and connections are tightly snug and in proper position, the boat is bonded to the trailer and the trailer is bonded to the metalized rubber strip touching earth ground.

Next, check the vents. I had and Aerostar 601 in my care one time that had a plugged tank vent. The aircraft was fueled full, and then the fuel warmed up and split the tank along the entire length of it's aluminum welded seam. Made a big mess and it cost thousands to fix, back in the eighties.
 

mochosla

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

Thanks for all the responses. I had been busy at work and was not able to reply. I tried pulling the tank out but it is so jammed in there that there is no way to do it without cutting it to pieces. Which is what I will probably be doing this weekend. I'm attaching some more pictures. At this point, I'm not sure what happened. I emptied the second tank and filled it up with water to make sure it will not explode. I will transfer the water to the exploded tank and proceed to cut the top off and work my way down. Once done, I will replace it with another tank as big as possible, replace the deck and continue with my project. I will make sure my grounds are securely attached to the tanks for sure.

Any additional comments will be welcome.

BTW, the boat will be up for sale once the deck is installed. If anyone is interested, we can work something out.
 

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halfmoa

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

From the pics initally attached I thought the OP had a composite fuel tank. It now appears that the tank is aluminum. Why does an aluminum tank sitting in an aluminum boat need ground straps?

Just learning here...not trying to be difficult.
 

dlngr

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

Sea stomper just explained why the tanks need to be grounded to the hull. To the OP-filling the tank with water won't stop an explosion. I filled a car tank with water onece,to do some welding on it. One tiny area near the top had an air bubble-when I got it hot -BOOM. And 20 gallons of water were pushed out the filler tube, up in to the air.I was soaked.
 

halfmoa

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

Sea stomper just explained why the tanks need to be grounded to the hull. To the OP-filling the tank with water won't stop an explosion. I filled a car tank with water onece,to do some welding on it. One tiny area near the top had an air bubble-when I got it hot -BOOM. And 20 gallons of water were pushed out the filler tube, up in to the air.I was soaked.

And I'm asking why a metal tank sitting on a metal hull isn't grounded. I'm missing something here...
 

joewithaboat

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

If you notice on the picture, you can see that the positive wire was cut (not by me) and I was going to repair it and test the gauges.

Was this wire Hot ? Was the battery hooked up?
 

herefishy

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

And I'm asking why a metal tank sitting on a metal hull isn't grounded. I'm missing something here...

My opinion is, that the sending unit was not connected to the aluminum tank nor the hull - the PO had loosened / unsecured the sending unit from the tank that exploded, and left it in that condition as an uncompleted repair. The difference in electrical potential was manifested between the (non-bonded) sending unit (which had a wire connected to it going to somewhere in the electrical circuit - which may be non-consequential as we could presume that the circuit was open) and tank which may well have been bonded (grounded) to the aluminum hull.

This is my opinion, I don't claim to know the truth - Take what you like, leave the rest.

~Fishy
 

herefishy

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Re: Fuel tank explosion (see picture). Why??

Seems more likely that when you bumped the boat with the ladder, you moved the hot wire and caused a spark that set off the gas fumes, which followed the gas to the tank.
Maybe a good Myth Busters topic?

That's plausible
 
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