fuel /water separator installation

dy168

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Hi all, I just called my dealer's service department inquiring putting a water separator to my 04 Mercruiser 3.0L Alpha I I/O engine. Service advisor said he dosen't know how much it cost for labor because there are extra parts have to be ordered. He told me the separator is around $40 but the rest he has to check. I want to make sure they are not ripping me off. Is it a big job to put it in and what parts are they talking about?
 

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Re: fuel /water separator installation

besides the separator there will be gas hose and fittings. possibly some type of mounting plate. I've got an '00 model and bought the separator too with the intentions of installing. But there's hardly anywhere that I can so as yet I've not put mine on. According to what I've been told, you're not supposed to mount it any higher than the fuel pump.....and therefore that has drastically reduced my mounting options.
 

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river<br />your off to a bad start with your dealer if you feel there rippping you off<br /><br />besides the separator it needs two marine hose barbs that match your fuel line size and the correct hose clamps and a littel more marine fuel line<br /><br /><br />the searay dealer should no there boats well enough to no exactly were it will fit it should not be the first one they have done<br /><br />i can say that on my 20 foot boat you cant do anything but check the oil without getting two people to lift the engine cover out of the boat and then you have to cover the carpet to keep everything clean and then start working so its pretty easy to for it to take some manhours to do the job correctly and return your boat as clean as when they started<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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Ditto with tommays.<br /><br />See "Star Baby"'s thread. :rolleyes:
 

dy168

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tommmays,<br /><br />They are the only SeaRay dealer in town, I have no choice. When in WOT, the engine hesitate. Remember I told you I didn't have a good delivery with them when we picked up the new boat. And also, they kept telling me its normal to top off 180cc of gear lube into the reservior. The boat just reached 20 hours and I have filled in a total of that amount of gear lube in it. Don S and others said there is a leak but the sevice manager keeps saying its normal, it just needed to be burped. Well, I am bringing it in next week and I will make sure they do a pressure test on the drive and all that. BTW, I will take out all the carpet before I go to them.
 

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river<br /><br />i remenber now and see why you done trust them <br /><br />have you gotten any feedback from searay or merc about there poor delivery service if not i would call and speak to both as neither searay or merc will be pleased about a poor delivery<br /><br />you should do something before there problem becomes your problem you should not be haveing these problems with a new boat<br /><br />the filter is and option on the 3.0 and you might ask if there is a kit that would make it a bolt on install <br /><br />tommays
 

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You do realize you do not have to take your boat to a SeaRay dealer for engine repairs. Any Mercruiser dealer can do the same thing, plus they can install fuel filters, and any warranty work you need on the engine and drive. Save the SR dealer for boat warranty.
 

dy168

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tommays,<br /><br />No, SeaRay hasn't contacted me back. I did fill in the SeaRay survey about 3 months ago and trashed them big time. The dealer did a poor timing. Right after I trashed them, I received letters from the dealers's GM, salesman and service manager, they sent me small gifts, mugs, hats, key chains, T shirts. In those letters, they told me I would be receiving a survey from Sea Ray soon. Well, too bad, I already sent in the survey before I got the freebies from the dealer. Tommays, do you know anything about those Keel protector strip. They are charging me $300 (labor and part), but they said they are no good because its glued on and eventually it will come apart. They told me to go with some kind of fibreglass application that is paste onto the keel and cost $600 (labor and part). I think thats very expensive. Have you heard of this fibreglass paste thing?
 

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Don S, I do have some minor warranty works to be done on the boat and trailer. They are not cheap. They are charging me $120 for the oil change. I know how to do the oil change, just loosen up the plug at the transom and pull out that wire and the small black hose and drain it. I really want to know why they are charging $120 for that. They better do some other inspection like pressure test and pull out drive and check alignment and all that.
 

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river<br /><br />i dont no about the keel guard you would get better feedback about this here<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26 <br /><br />as i said before due to how boats are built many simple things take longer to do than on a car in my area 105 dollars and hr is the going rate<br /><br />a basic winterize, motor and drive oil change runs over 300 on a 3.0 and thats not pulling the drive and doing and alliment<br /><br />i would not sugest the DIY method while the boat is under warrentee and for sure until your problems are resolved<br /><br />tommays
 

dy168

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Hi all,<br /><br />Just found out from Service manager that Quick Silver water separator is $38.00 plus miscellaneous parts, whatever water lines, fittings etc about another $10-15 dollars, then there is one hr labour charge of $85.00.....Not bad then.
 

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$120 for an oil change is not bad in a boat. By the time you get the boat staged, run the engine, change the oil and filter, rerun the engine to make sure all is well, clean the boat (We get yelled at by customers if there is one finger print somewere on their white boat), then add in the cost of oil, filter, waste oil disposal (Hey you can't just dump it on a gravel road anymore), shop supplies, and bingo $120 spent.
 

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Don S,<br /><br />Thanks for telling me what a $120 oil change is like. I forgot they have to stage the boat. I thought all they have to is pull the drain plug. Anyway. When I made that 1st 20 hr oil change appointment, the service manager realized that my warranty expires next June, he then recommended me to do the annual (100hr) service instead, which is a big $350! There is only 20 hours in the engine and I did purchase extended warranty which is another 4 more years of engine/stern drive warranty. So, is it necessary to do that annual thing now or wait until next June?
 

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Staging.....Yea, probably the wrong word, but it looked good at the beginning. So let me explain in a little more detail.<br />In a car, the mechanic goes out starts the car and drives it onto a rack or over a pit and the oil change is done from the bottom of the vehicle.<br />Great 39.95 any you are out of there.<br />With a small 18' boat, the procedure is a little different. The boat has to be moved by either a forklift or a truck to get it to the working area, then the bow has to be low so the drive can be lowered in order to run and warm up the engine. That is after the tech moves all the water toys, gas tanks, fenders, fishing poles, etc. out of the way of the engine compartment and helm area. Then locate the battey switch, lower the drive hook up the muffs turn on the water and run the engine for 10 minutes to warm the oil. In the process, we get the oil, filter, and drain pump (It's faster than the through the drain plug hose), get rags, oil absorbant pads, drain pans for under the filter (if possible), tools, matts to keep the deck as clean as possible and what ever else is needed......oh, did I forget to mention the ladder to get into the boat and we had to take all the canvas off so you can do the job.<br />Now that the engine is warm, shut off the engine shut off the water raise the drive, raise the front of the boat so the engine is level so we get all the oil out, I normally use a pump not the drain hose, it's faster, usually only a 3 minute job. Next we change the oil filter. Try that without making a mess. On cars and trucks they drain into a big funnel, in boats.......well, it's hard to tell, you may or may not make too big a mess. but usually oil gets into way more areas than you planned for. Then it all has to be cleaned up. Please note that all this is done in the "Living" area of the boat, not under the hood. Footprints and fingerprints and general grease and grime are not on the outside as in the automotive world.<br />Now, we have changed the oil and filter, we put the bow of the boat back down, drive back down, hook up the water and re-run the engine and check for leaks. Shut off the engine, water, raise the drive, raise the bow of the boat, recheck the oil level and top off if necessary. put the drive back up, get all the tools off the boat, wash the boat, put the canvas back on, Put all the stuff back where it was, shut off the battery switch and the job is done....except for the paper work.
 

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Don. I have to print that and frame it for the shop, for the next time someone ask's why it costs three times as much as jiffy lube.
 

dy168

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Took the boat to the dealer for the 20 hr oil change this morning. Service advisor still insists that its normal to top off almost 200cc of gear tube altogether into reservior. I asked him where did that 200cc go? He told me since it is a new engine, the gear tube is being burned in the gear and this will happen again. I told him to pull drive out and check, he told me it will cost me 1 hr of labor charge if no leak is found. He suggested me to wait for the annual service (next May) to pull the drive out and check everything out before warranty ends. Are they pulling me leg?
 

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river<br />a total drop of 200cc or 7oz is more than mine has every droped after changeing the lube <br /><br />but the question is has it stoped or are you stilling adding oil if your still adding it sounds like a problem<br /><br />the drive does not burn oil it can only have left the factory filled to low or leak<br /><br />i had thought that the aliment should be checked at 20 hrs which would require removeing the drive anyway<br /><br />tommays
 

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If it dosen't stop using oil after the initial 200cc's in added, then you have a leak. If it does stop, my guess is your dealer isn't filling the drive correctly.
 

dy168

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Tommays,<br /><br />They check aligment at annual or 100 hrs service which is $350, thats when they pull the drive out, not at 20hr. They don't do much at 20hrs. I haven't taken the boat out since my first thread mentioning I topped off 180cc of gear lube. He did suggest me to do the annual inspection now, but the boat only has 20 hrs in it. I don't want to waste another $350 next May before my warranty ends. So I told him I will do the annual thing next year and they can pull the drive out at that time. May be it did leave the factory filled to low.
 

dy168

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Don S,<br /><br />I trust all you guys opinions. The service guy told me the gear lube is burned in the drive, thats why I have to keep adding gear lube and because its a new engine! I don't think I believe what he said. I should have told him to let me talk to the Mercury certified tech. and see what he says. For now, if I want to put this off my head, I can tell them to pull the drive, they are charting minimum 1 hr labor for that even you did mention it only takes 20 minutes. If it leaks, Mercury pays for everything, if no leak, I will pay another $85! Or I can wait for the annual inspection when they automatic pull the drive to check alignment and all that.
 
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