Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Philster

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So this guy exchanges calls and emails with me about my Scarab, and he finally decides to buy it when we agree upon a price.

He drives from Lake Ontario down to my neck o' the woods in Delaware -- roughly 6 1/2 hours. I was about as open and honest as anyone could be. I described the boat as mechanically fresh, offered receipts for work, dyno sheet, engine builder name, and the name of the folks who did regular maintenance on the Scarab. They were happy to talk to him and show him around their shops.

The hull is composite. The graphics are worn, but I have brand new ones that he was told about. Everything on my boat works. I am at a loss to mention something that doesn't work. It's a 1996, but no tears or real interior wear to speak of. Shiny new Livorsi gauges with bright bezels. Clean cabin... doesn't even smell musty after taking the winter cover off.

He drives 6.5 hours. He walks around and then stands on a ladder looking inside. And he keeps saying he can't get past the condition of the interior. He is concerned that he might have to clean it up. I keep repeating that the entire boat is mechanically refreshed... even the gauges.... the hatch lifts. Every mechanical part is new. I have new graphics. The interior is not faded or torn. The electronics work.

No questions about the engine, the drive.... just weird. I have a pile of paper work. He's not interested. He hangs around, and he is saying, 'I just can't take her home with this interior'. I was looking forward to selling her to someone who used to own a Wellcraft Nova and was happy that he'd run his new Scarab on fresh water, but I had two back up buyers who are completely excited to get their hands on a composite hull with a new 502 and new exhaust, etc. Not this guy. He doesn't want to take some vinyl cleaner to the seats and some soap to the floor (and I don' t think it needs it!).

I got to the point where I actually wished him luck and attempted to explain things about risers, manifolds, drives, engines and all the other components that could cost him 8-12 thousand dollars if he buys a used boat with cash and never inquires about the mechanicals. I kind of got salty and if he was waiting for me to flinch, I did not.

He left sans boat and drove 6.5 hours home. Guess he thinks a 1996 is showroom new? I wonder if he knew what an engine rebuild is? A dyno? A riser? A manifold? Did he read the ad which was focused on the mechanicals? WTF?

So, I went to my backup buyer, who was focused on the composite construction and fresh mechanicals. He was interested in the engine builder and their shop and was anxious to talk to the guys who service my boat. We talked props, trim, exhaust sound, etc.

When you sell a boat, you almost wish it could be as easy as a guy who has cash and doesn't even know what to ask. Couple of back and forth offers and she sells. No surveyors, water tests, financing, etc. Nope... I get the guy that should have been easy but wasn't.

Oh well... I launched the backup plan (sold to another happy buyer) and am placing the order on my new Checkmate outboard. :)
 

island mike

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

We had been working on some guys sailboat for about two months,repaired the keel,did some cosmetics,some electrical work,And new paint...
anyway,The guy regulary came to visit the boatyard (on a daily basis)was always very quit but always observing our every move.He never realy talked to us,Nor did he ask any questions.
It was his first boat and had never ever been on one..After painting the hull,he came to see his boat,This very quite little man threw a fit!
we had painted over some ss screws on the transom and he refused to pay the bill unless we removed the paint...The guy was furious!!
We of course removed the paint and he paid his bill.
We heard later that he went sailing and hit a reef...

You have some very weird people out there and your story reminded me of my experience with one of them.
Regards I mike
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

When I sold my Carver I had folks calling me from 5 states.... all of em very excited and wanting it real bad and all of em dragging their feet... I'd tell people that I already had several that said they'd call back in a few days to buy it but that I wasn't holding it without a deposit... The general response was "Oh I don't see you selling it before friday" On the third day of my add a local fellow came and looked at it. I priced it at $5500 and he gave me the "what's the least you'll take" line... I told him I was firm on the price for now but would raise it $2000 in spring so he thought about it and asked If I could haul it 40 miles for that price plus gas money. I accepted and the deal was done within an hour.

For a couple weeks I got calls from various people (all of whom I told I wasn't holding it without a deposit) who were amazed and quite upset that it was sold.... One guy had even signed a lease and payed for a slip for it.

WEIRD
 

CaptainKickback

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Congrats on getting the boat sold.

I had heard so many "boat selling" horror stories from my boating friends that I knew I didn't want to deal with it. My first boat I traded in on the second one. Selling the second one (wish I had kept it), I used a broker. So, I haven't had to deal with buyers like your "13 hours of driving" guy.
 

Philster

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Yes... weird is the best word or variations thereof, such as weirdo, weirder, weirdest.

I definitely could have scored more $ come spring, but then what would I do? I'd pay more for the boat I want in the spring and get a lot less personal attention. Now I can let them build it over their slow time, get nice discounts, great financing and some stuff thrown in.

I have no desire to sell a boat again. Oh, when I did post the first ads, I must have gotten this question a dozen times in the first day:

Do you have any more pics of the cabin? :facepalm: Ugh. Not a bad request, but how can that be the only request a buyer would have? :confused:
 

DBreskin

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Oh, when I did post the first ads, I must have gotten this question a dozen times in the first day:

Do you have any more pics of the cabin? :facepalm: Ugh. Not a bad request, but how can that be the only request a buyer would have? :confused:
Maybe because you did such a thorough job describing the mechanicals?
 

soggy_feet

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

You're kinda scaring me now....

All summer I get people cruising up to my boat telling me they're jealous of the space, and jokingly asking if they could buy it.
I figured it would be easy to flip it when the time came, but I'm having second thoughts!
 

ezmobee

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

The lady who bought my last house I'm pretty sure bought it because the paint colors inside were nice :facepalm:
 

JoLin

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The lady who bought my last house I'm pretty sure bought it because the paint colors inside were nice :facepalm:

They're out there in great numbers. The wife and I watch 'House Hunters'. You'd be amazed how many places get turned down because they need a coat of paint! So, you're gonna turn this one down in favor of the one that has 50-year-old plumbing instead. Seriously?

Linda has been guilty of that think too, to an extent. I had to sell her hard on the Four Winns because it was real dirty. I dunno... just a different mindset.
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Here is one from the buyers side. Find the exact boat we are looking for on Craigslist 3 hours away. Boat is an 06 Hurricane SD 217 with an F150 Yamaha, and only 60 hours. The woman owner was selling because she said that she just didn't use it often enough to justify the storage fees, which was obvious from the hours. My wife and I drive down, check the boat out (it's perfect), then put it in the water for a test ride. The woman brings her husband and daughter along for the ride. We spend several hours on the lake putting the boat through the paces, and having a good time. We get back to the dock and I'm ready to close the deal. She doesn't budge on price, and that is OK with us because we really want the boat. The woman confers with her husband and daughter for a few minutes, then tells us she is sorry, she is not going to sell the boat. They had so much fun on the test ride they decided to keep it.

O well we did have a fun day. Women boat owners?????
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

well at least you didn't do the driving. But one of the risks of selling used stuff is the time wasting.
My time is quite valuable and my spare leisure time even more so, so every hour I spend with a "potential" buyer is money lost. So I seldom mess with selling stuff (even though I love the thought of flipping stuff and my No. 1 rule, whether it's a lawnmower or a house, is ALWAYS TAKE THE FIRST OFFER!

This is also why it's reasonable, on smaller or cheaper deals, for the seller not to do a sea trial, let you wrench on it, or otherwise "invest" time.

The people who changed their minds are class A jerks. On the rarely-occurring "right case" you might be able to force the sale at their asking price, but it would seldom be worth it.
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Sounds like my buddys story.

A few years ago he was trying to sell his NOVA II, and made no bones about what the boat was. It needed an engine (1 had already been replaced with a factory Merc 260 and had 0hrs on it) and he didn't have the time nor interest in putting the other new engine in (he wanted to cut his loses and get a smaller more manageable boat). The hull was in fair shape. Structurally sound, but needed some cosmetic freshening. Same with the cabin. He put it on some on-line site with LOTS of detailed pictures, a very fair price (I believe about the cost of what the 1 replaced engine set him back), and again didn't sugar coat anything about the boat or trailer.

Some guy from Montreal responds to his ad, and is all hot-to-trot about picking it up, cash on the barrel. This guy makes the 6.5-7 hour trip down to my Buddy's place, looks at the boat for 2 minutes, then asks my buddy where's a good place in town to get dinner. My buddy rattles off a few places, figuring that the guy wanted to eat before he attached a 20 something foot boat to the back of his truck. The guy never comes back, and I'm pretty sure my friend never gets a phone call from him. :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Which Checkmate are you getting?

2400BRX with Mercury Racing 300XS outboard.

In this paint scheme (not that actual boat) and my trailer will be alum without those funkadelic wheels.
 

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Philster

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Maybe because you did such a thorough job describing the mechanicals?

Maybe, but it wasn't like there was any sense he ever weighed the issues: "Um... okay, I clean up this rig and put on the new graphics and sleep well knowing I don't have a rotting motor/exhaust, or I go find something perfect inside and hope I don't drop 12 g's on a new 502/exhaust."

I never sensed he could even comprehend his risks on a high-performance boat with a big block.
 

Philster

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

well at least you didn't do the driving. But one of the risks of selling used stuff is the time wasting.
My time is quite valuable and my spare leisure time even more so, so every hour I spend with a "potential" buyer is money lost. So I seldom mess with selling stuff (even though I love the thought of flipping stuff and my No. 1 rule, whether it's a lawnmower or a house, is ALWAYS TAKE THE FIRST OFFER!

This is also why it's reasonable, on smaller or cheaper deals, for the seller not to do a sea trial, let you wrench on it, or otherwise "invest" time.

The people who changed their minds are class A jerks. On the rarely-occurring "right case" you might be able to force the sale at their asking price, but it would seldom be worth it.

This is generally my philosophy -- generally. I don't have time to waste. I took a crack at it. To me, it was worth a shot. But I'd not repeat the process over and over and cling to a long-term hope going on and on. Take a couple fast cracks at it, then be done with it.

It's worth it to get a boat built over the winter and offset the lower selling price with great deals.

I hear ya.
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Phil, what is most important to you may not be what is most important to everyone else. Remember, you have your opinions and so did this guy looking at your boat. He wanted a boat that was "pretty" inside. He obviously didn't think yours was. I sold my 1997 nodel boat 3 years ago, it was "practically" showroom new. No excuses to be made at all, no cleaning. If the guy didn't know much about boat (which he probably didn't) all he wanted was something that looked sharp. People who don't know about boat just notice if it's shiny. Why do you think so many boat have fancy decal and such on them?

Basically what I am saying is, I am sorry he wasted a little of your time. But that's the hassle of selling stuff yourself. If it's too much trouble, have someone else sell it.
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

The lady who bought my last house I'm pretty sure bought it because the paint colors inside were nice :facepalm:

The guy who bought my last house, at a premium price that it was NOT worth, did similiar. All he "needed" to do was replace the 1977 Chrysler AirTemp electric furnace with something from the 20th century and he's be fine. What did he do? Redid the entire kitchen (including getting rid of a 1 year old stove), redid the bathroom, and replaced 3 year old carpet with dark hardwood floors. (And kept the furnace!) Fine, I don't care, I got my money. I see the house on the market earlier this summer, and see the price it sold for in the paper, and guess what? He LOST money just on what he sold it for compared to what he paid me. Let alone his $10k plus remodel. But hey, I got my money! ;)
 

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Re: Funny Boat Buyer... wish I had a video...

Phil, what is most important to you may not be what is most important to everyone else. Remember, you have your opinions and so did this guy looking at your boat. He wanted a boat that was "pretty" inside. He obviously didn't think yours was. I sold my 1997 nodel boat 3 years ago, it was "practically" showroom new. No excuses to be made at all, no cleaning. If the guy didn't know much about boat (which he probably didn't) all he wanted was something that looked sharp. People who don't know about boat just notice if it's shiny. Why do you think so many boat have fancy decal and such on them?

Basically what I am saying is, I am sorry he wasted a little of your time. But that's the hassle of selling stuff yourself. If it's too much trouble, have someone else sell it.

IMHO: Mild lecture not warranted.

I titled it ''funny''; I haven't moaned or groaned. I acknowledged that, to me, it wasn't a waste of time to take a quick crack at it (selling) and that I wouldn't want to sell a boat again.

I think threads like this wind up with good info, as stories are exchanged or common themes emerge, and then other iboaters can decide whether it's worth their time 'n' effort and/or learn from the experience.

All good. Happy to take a crack at it; happy to look forward to spring.
 
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