Gas Prices

SuperNova

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I just found this old post complaining about gas prices and thought it would be interesting to bring it to the top again. It certainly made me laugh.
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Haut Medoc

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HMMMMM......
Doubled in four years, you say?
I guess that means that demand has doubled as well......
That's the only rational explanation .....:rolleyes:
 

ob

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HMMMMM......

Doubled in four years, you say?
I guess that means that demand has doubled as well......

That's the only rational explanation .....:rolleyes:

Oh yea.Haven't you heard?:cool:BTW,us Americans are spoiled compared to what other countries have been paying.Haven't you heard?:rolleyes:The oil companies are just charging what they have to to maintain a fair profit.Haven't you heard?:cool:
 

Tail_Gunner

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:D The notion that Gas price's are higher abroad is true, but the reason gas is higher is the tax there country impose's on them. It's about 2-3.00 dollar's on a gallon of gas.........;)
 

12Footer

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No drilling or refining allowed -- At least not in my country or yours. What happened in Venezuela?

Can you say, "Supply/demand"?
I knew that you could.
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kenmyfam

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We are at around $1.02 a litre right now. Went down to 99 cents a few days ago but went up again in a hurry due to "potential unrest in the middle east" !!!!
That and the oil companies executives wanted some nice Fathers day gifts !!! LOL.
 

Tail_Gunner

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No drilling or refining allowed -- At least not in my country or yours. What happened in Venezuela?

Can you say, "Supply/demand"?
I knew that you could.
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:eek: agreed 12 reduce the supply and up the demand....:cool:


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demsvmejm

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No drilling or refining allowed -- At least not in my country or yours. What happened in Venezuela?

Can you say, "Supply/demand"?
I knew that you could.
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So you are condoning what is essentially extortion? "You won?t let us build a new refinery so you will pay." And Pay, and pay. I

for one am tired of the record gas prices rewarding the big oil companies with record profits. All at the expense of the motorist, and the economy. Oh yeah, that's right, the bushy spun statistics paint a rosy picture of the economy. But that is for the wealthy, as is this admin.

No other industry could raise their prices in like kind to the energy industry and still post the record profits that big oil is posting. So supply/demand and the free market don't hold true.
 

Esox

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Sad to say but I'm happy.....regular has gone from $3.49/gal to $3.29/gal in the past couple weeks............ :cool: good thing I still have 40 gallons of gas in the boat that I paid $3.50/gal for :mad:

I'd kill for that $1.xx or even 2.xx /gal​
 

12Footer

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So you are condoning what is essentially extortion? "You won’t let us build a new refinery so you will pay." And Pay, and pay.
YES. Since you posed that question... I guess I will condone it. "Since you wont let us drill, refine, or standardise our product nation-wide -- driving my price to do buisness through the roof in the process -- to even produce what little product i am ALLOWED to produce, you can just pay through the nose with a gold ring in each nostril, man. Thanks for everything you have done to expand my proffit margins while trying your best to drive me out of buisness. Paybacks are a binch dood."
I realize your attempts did not have the effect you expected on "big oil", but
I certainly hope you dwell long and hard about that every time you are pumping fuel into your vehicles.


Basicaly, what I am saying is it's "our" fault.
Yours for doing you level-best to destroy the American economy from the inside out..
Mine for not taking the time off of werk required years ago to give some hippies a haircut and repaint their ignorant signs with MY OWN message!!!
(which would've been "wake up!! What ARE you smokin, anyhow??")

Thanks for letting me vent, Dems.
I for one am tired of the record gas prices rewarding the big oil companies with record profits. All at the expense of the motorist, and the economy. Oh yeah, that's right, the bushy spun statistics paint a rosy picture of the economy. But that is for the wealthy, as is this admin.
Pedictable. Again, you are suffering the consequences of your own actions. ENJOY, while I regret my ancient complacency.
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Haut Medoc

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It was on the front page today....
BIG OIL is scaling back refinery expansion due to the increase of bio diesel......
So they can limit supply & continue to rob yer eyeballs out....:mad:

As any MONOPOLY worth it's salt would do......
Maybe the Gubmint should force them to expand as planned....
Heaven forbid if there were a cushon to fall back on if something disastrous were to happen.....:eek:
'Course, nothing would happen to BIG OIL'S OBSCENE PROFITS except that they would spiral upward!......:rolleyes:
 

12Footer

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It was on the front page today....
BIG OIL is scaling back refinery expansion due to the increase of bio diesel......
So they can limit supply & continue to rob yer eyeballs out....:mad:

As any MONOPOLY worth it's salt would do......
Maybe the Gubmint should force them to expand as planned....
Heaven forbid if there were a cushon to fall back on if something disastrous were to happen.....:eek:
'Course, nothing would happen to BIG OIL'S OBSCENE PROFITS except that they would spiral upward!......:rolleyes:
As for "BIG OIL'S RECORD PROFITS", i say choke on em. The malibu must not be required to jump over pipes and such..
As for the "front page",Oh really? Who's "front page? yours? Hugo's? Article please.
And before you even post it (if you do which I doubt), I predict that you chopped it badly to remove ANY references to their attempts to INCREASE gasolene refinment, by changing production from diesel to gas due to demand (member thet hole sup-lie and de-mand stuff?).. Bet I'm right,HM.
Nice try tho, but I aint buying your parsing.
Keep trying to "stick it to the man" tho. You're a good block capitaner.
 

Haut Medoc

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biofuel may keep prices up at pumps​
By H. JOSEF HEBERT
The Associated Press
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WASHINGTON ? A push from Congress and the White House for huge increases in biofuels, such as ethanol, is prompting the oil industry to scale back its plans to expand refineries. That could keep gasoline prices high, possibly for years to come.
With President Bush calling for a 20 percent reduction in gasoline use and the Senate debating legislation for increases in ethanol production, oil companies say they see growing uncertainty about future gasoline demand and little need to build or expand refineries.
Oil-industry executives say they no longer think the demand for gasoline over the next decade will warrant the billions of dollars in refinery expansions ? as much as a 10 percent increase in new refining capacity ? they anticipated as recently as a year ago.
"Why would I invest in a refinery when you're trying to make 20 percent of the gasoline supply ethanol?" said Peter Robertson, vice chairman of Chevron.
But Ron Lamberty of the American Coalition for Ethanol said the talk about biofuels threatening gasoline production is the "latest attempt to blame ethanol [for] Big Oil's failure to meet our energy needs."
"The ethanol industry continues to grow while oil refiners continue to make excuses for maintaining their profitable status quo," Lamberty said.
Biofuels and efforts to get automakers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles have been portrayed as key to countering high gasoline prices, but they are likely to do little to curb costs at the pump ? today, or in the years ahead ? if refiners reduce gasoline production.
Politicians frequently have blamed a shortage of refineries for the sharp price spikes in gasoline.
"The fact is that Americans are paying more at the pump because we do not have the domestic capacity to refine the fuels consumers demand," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., said last week during debate on the Senate energy bill.
Hampered by outages, U.S. refiners could not keep up with demand this spring, and gasoline imports were down because of greater demand in Europe and elsewhere. Despite stable or declining oil prices, gasoline prices soared to record levels and remain well above $3 a gallon.
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Consumer advocates maintain the oil industry likes it that way.
"By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies gain control over price at the wholesale level," said Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America. He argued that a wave of mergers in recent years created a refining industry that "has no interest in creating spare capacity."
Only last year, the Energy Department was told that refiners, reaping big profits and anticipating growing demand, were looking at boosting their refining capacity by more than 1.6 million barrels a day, a roughly 10 percent increase. That would be enough to produce an additional 37 million gallons of gasoline daily.
But oil companies already have scaled back those expansion plans by nearly 40 percent. More cancellations are expected if Congress passes legislation calling for 15 billion gallons of ethanol use annually by 2015 and more than double that by 2022, industry and government officials say.
"These [expansion] decisions are being revisited in boardrooms across the refining sector," said Charlie Drevna, executive vice president of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association.
With the anticipated growth in biofuels, "you're getting down to needing little or no additional gasoline production" above what is being made today, said Joanne Shore, an analyst for the government's Energy Information Administration.
In 2006, U.S. motorists used 143 billion gallons of gasoline, of which 136 billion gallons was produced by U.S. refineries, and the rest imported.
Annual demand had been expected to grow to about 161 billion gallons by 2017, Drevna said. But Bush's call to cut gasoline demand by 20 percent, through a combination of fuel-efficiency improvements and ethanol, would reduce that demand below what U.S. refineries make today, he said.
Valero, the nation's largest refiner ? producing 3.3 million barrels a day of petroleum product ? recently boosted production capacity at its Port Arthur, Texas, refinery by 325,000 barrels a day. But company spokesman Bill Day said some additional expansions have been postponed.
"That's not to say we've changed our plans," Day said. "But it's fair to say we're taking a closer look at what the president is saying and what Congress is saying" about biofuels. He said there's a "mixed message" coming out of Washington, calling for more production but also for reducing gasoline demand.
"It's something that we have to study pretty carefully," Day said.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., said consolidation of the oil industry into fewer companies has left them with no incentive to expand refineries.
"It's a perverted system that does not act as a free-market system would act," Dorgan said. "If you narrow the neck of refining, you actually provide a greater boost to prices, which is a greater boost to profitability."

Copyright ? 2007 The Seattle Times Company
 

treedancer

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Quote Haut Medoc



This is a AP release, 12




Of course you realize that is totally discredited, because it didn’t originate on Fauz news don’t you?



Exxon makes $100 Million a day net profit and the have the gull to ask the American taxpayer to subsidize them, amazing isn’t it, only in Bush America, and that is only one Oil Company.
 

QC

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A push from Congress and the White House for huge increases in biofuels, such as ethanol, is prompting the oil industry to scale back its plans to expand refineries. That could keep gasoline prices high, possibly for years to come.With President Bush calling for a 20 percent reduction in gasoline use and the Senate debating legislation for increases in ethanol production, oil companies say they see growing uncertainty about future gasoline demand and little need to build or expand refineries.
Oil-industry executives say they no longer think the demand for gasoline over the next decade will warrant the billions of dollars in refinery expansions ? as much as a 10 percent increase in new refining capacity ? they anticipated as recently as a year ago.
"Why would I invest in a refinery when you're trying to make 20 percent of the gasoline supply ethanol?" said Peter Robertson, vice chairman of Chevron.
What is really hilarious here is that the big bad Gov't did what all of you "Fuel Paranoia People" (FPP) have recommended . . . they got involved. Estupid, stupid, dumb, did I say stupid? Sooooo, what happens? Those involved in legal businesses have to wait and see what kind of idiotic legislation will get in the way of the real market forces that drive that business today. Indications that demand will artificially slow here in the US? Oh, I know, lets build more refineries for that uncertain market . . . Estupid, stupid, dumb, did I say stupid? What do you knuckleheads expect? It is simply too clear to have to write this ship down for you . . . :rolleyes:

(If you are not a member of the FPP, please disregard this memo)
 

demsvmejm

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Basicaly, what I am saying is it's "our" fault.
On this thought I agree. All of "us" so stupid or arrogant to just HAVE to have the biggest thing on the road and still insist on buying new full-size four door trucks, SUV's and the like. (And I just bought a '99 burban to tow my boat, but have a '95 Prizm as a daily driver).


But otherwise I say to you 12'er
"wake up!! What ARE you smokin, anyhow??"
And GROW UP!! ANYTIME ANYONE disagrees with your position they must automatically be a Demoncrat. Well guess what, even redumblicans have the hope of elevating their intelligence levels high enough to disagree with the widespread stupidity, secrecy and LIES of the bush administration. Even the most loyal subjects can wise up and come to disagree with king george. So do us all a favor, get a new schtick and give the "evil liberal Democrat" one a rest. You are surely smart enough to think for yourself and come up with something better and more persuasive than the spin the redumblican party has used all along to try and intimidate the opposition into silence. And yes, that was a compliment.
 

heycods

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That dad gummed mutt would have got a lecture for digging up bones.
 

Tail_Gunner

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What is really hilarious here is that the big bad Gov't did what all of you "Fuel Paranoia People" (FPP) have recommended . . . they got involved. Estupid, stupid, dumb, did I say stupid? Sooooo, what happens? Those involved in legal businesses have to wait and see what kind of idiotic legislation will get in the way of the real market forces that drive that business today. Indications that demand will artificially slow here in the US? Oh, I know, lets build more refineries for that uncertain market . . . Estupid, stupid, dumb, did I say stupid? What do you knuckleheads expect? It is simply too clear to have to write this ship down for you . . . :rolleyes:

(If you are not a member of the FPP, please disregard this memo)


QC i dont believe iv'e seen any lame post's from your way.... that was lame at it's finest.
 

OldMercsRule

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HMMMMM......
Doubled in four years, you say?
I guess that means that demand has doubled as well......
That's the only rational explanation .....:rolleyes:

You know the supply demand relationship is not linear. You luv to juice up the crew about this don't ya? Did ya hear Maria this weekend talkin' 'bout yer favorite subject? Very imbarrasing dim wit speech she made. I guess I will stop calling her smart. (I probably said she was not as dumb as Patty Murry, which: is still true). I guess the two dumbest Senators are from the State of Washington. JR
 
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