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Re: Gas Prices
Their gas/our money... How badly do you want to get to Starbucks,HM? Doesn't matter... As long as you'll pay 4 bucks fer a cuppa joe, they'll be there brewing-away -- so get peddling, if the thought of "making the rich richer" upsets you so.
In spite of the constant barage in the from hollywood and your media droogies, We are still a capitalist society. Socialism will be vigorously fought by some of us, so get ready for an uphill battle, all the way to the bottom if need be. Two years ago, This came from the UK Daily Telegraph:ENTIRE ARTICLE"Steve Forbes, the billionaire business publisher, predicted that the oil bubble will burst inside a year, and the price will plunge as the impact of Hurricane Katrina sent the price of oil soaring to new record levels. HISTORY ITSELF prooves that NONE of the major oil companies have any influence over the price of a barrel of oil. The world market for
oil is (and allways has been) a commodity market.It may not be for long if hugo has his way, but i digress, and there is no room for that ---
It is nearly perfect competition. There are over 1,000 companies supplying oil to the market. Some, like ARAMCO and CITGO, are owned by governments. Liberals would like to see tha happen here, as they need more dependants. On the demand side, there are seven billion consumers. In both cases, demand and supply, no one is large enough in the marketplace to significantly impact the price of oil in the market as a whole. India and China have doubled their demand for oil in the past ten years.
This has substantially increased demand. Unless Congress is willing to declare war on India and China and use nuclear weapons to bomb 'em back to the Stone Age,(which is the ludacrous image libs have of us knuckle-draggers ANYHOW), demand will not decrease any time soon. Nigeria normally produces 3% of the world's oil supply. They are totally closed down by terrorist rebels. The oil rigs destroyed by the hurricanes, about a hundred plus of them, have not yet recovered. All 25 refineries on the Gulf Cost were shut down by the hurricanes. How many are still down? I have no clue, just axing "how long until they return to full production?" We have not built a new refinery since '72! Can you say "EARTH DAY?"
I knew that you could, Haut.
Supply is way down. Unless Congress permits drilling in the Gulf coast, drilling in Alaska, permits more refineries to be built, supply will not increase any time soon. When demand goes up, the price increases. When supply decreases, the price goes up. No one can stop this! Not even dingy harry!! Bolivia seized control of the energy fields and "nationalized" them. Now, since Bolivia "nationalized" everything, seizes all energy supplies (that is socialism in ACTION for the unenlightened lemmings amoung us), it would leave ExxonMobil, the accused "robber barons," screwed out of about $3 billion in investments. It would leave the Brazilian "robber barons" screwed out of about $3.5billion!! So you want to blame "BIG OIL"?? Go ahead. Have fun .It's Big Dictator time. Of the top 14 oil exporters, only one is a well-established liberal democracy - Norway. Two others have recently made a transition to democracy - Mexico and Nigeria. Iraq is trying to follow in their footsteps... (No thanks to Dingy harry or pelosi) That's all! Every other major oil exporter is a dictatorship - and the run-up in oil prices has been a tremendous boon to them. This is the case for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
On May 3rd of last year,Max Boot wrote in the Los Angeles Times: "My associate at the Council on Foreign relations, Ian Cornwall, calculates that if oil averages $71 a barrel this year, 10 autocracies (or dictatorships) stand to make about $500 billion more than in 2003, when oil was at $27.
"This windfall helps to squelch liberal forces and entrench noxious dictators in such oil producers as Russia (which stands to make $115 billion more this year than in 2003) and Venezuela ($36 billion). Vladimir Putin and Hugo Chavez can buy off their publics with generous subsidies and ignore Western pressure while sabotaging democratic developments from Central America to Central Asia." This is what Max Boot calls "the dictatorship dividend." It "also subsidizes Sudan's ethnic cleansing ([Sudan] stands to earn $4.7 billion more this year than in 2003), Iran's development of nuclear weapons ($45 billion) and Saudi Arabia's proselytization for Wahhabi fundamentalism ($149 billion). Even in such close American allies as Kuwait ($35 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($36 billion)" more.
My socialist friends, THAT was one year ago!!!!
color=red]Wake up and what are you smoking anyway??!!![color] Remember that? Better late than never? Where's your sign? Let me borrow it for a minute and fix it up... Caution WET PAINT!!
Obsene profits my eye, man! If you take Exxon's profit, $39.5 billion dollars, the most reported profit, divided equally among every man, woman, child, and illegal immigrant in this country, it would be enough for maybe every man, woman and child and illegal immigrant to go out and buy three or four gallons of gasoline. You could do it one time, because after you take their whole profit, Exxon's going to say, "Why should I stay in business in this country?" It isn't going to happen. It's not that much money.
But American socialists/liberals (for some reason they do not like being called "Democrats" as whitnessed above) have been led to believe by a Drive-By Media and their champions in office, that Big Oil, alone -- maybe Big Drug, too -- is able to magically set its price for every product to guarantee itself not only a huge profit, but that you get "the shaft", and that they are not part of the market, that they somehow are independent of market forces. They
have so many market forces preying on these companies. If I were Big Oil CEO, I would call members of the government up, and I would conduct hearings and I would ask them, "Why is it you are making it so hard for us to do business? You won't let us drill. You will not let us build any new refineries. You will not let us do one thing to expand our operations in your country, and all the while, you're blaming us for gouging customers." Market forces totally constrain Big Oil just like any other business. You're going to have to shelve this belief that there's some wizard behind a curtain that can do whatever he wants price-wise, independent of the market.
As for a profits tax, why is extortion the only socialist answer?
I got yer winfall profits tax" Pry it from my wallet if you think you can.
Until we purchase it -- it is THEIR supply that we demand. They have a right to "manipulate" it!!Tell it like is is, Haut... you're just whinin because they're richer then you are.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html
This is an AP release, 12.......
Read it & weep.........:redface:
Now tell me that they are not manipulating supply.....
Their gas/our money... How badly do you want to get to Starbucks,HM? Doesn't matter... As long as you'll pay 4 bucks fer a cuppa joe, they'll be there brewing-away -- so get peddling, if the thought of "making the rich richer" upsets you so.
In spite of the constant barage in the from hollywood and your media droogies, We are still a capitalist society. Socialism will be vigorously fought by some of us, so get ready for an uphill battle, all the way to the bottom if need be. Two years ago, This came from the UK Daily Telegraph:ENTIRE ARTICLE"Steve Forbes, the billionaire business publisher, predicted that the oil bubble will burst inside a year, and the price will plunge as the impact of Hurricane Katrina sent the price of oil soaring to new record levels. HISTORY ITSELF prooves that NONE of the major oil companies have any influence over the price of a barrel of oil. The world market for
oil is (and allways has been) a commodity market.It may not be for long if hugo has his way, but i digress, and there is no room for that ---
It is nearly perfect competition. There are over 1,000 companies supplying oil to the market. Some, like ARAMCO and CITGO, are owned by governments. Liberals would like to see tha happen here, as they need more dependants. On the demand side, there are seven billion consumers. In both cases, demand and supply, no one is large enough in the marketplace to significantly impact the price of oil in the market as a whole. India and China have doubled their demand for oil in the past ten years.
This has substantially increased demand. Unless Congress is willing to declare war on India and China and use nuclear weapons to bomb 'em back to the Stone Age,(which is the ludacrous image libs have of us knuckle-draggers ANYHOW), demand will not decrease any time soon. Nigeria normally produces 3% of the world's oil supply. They are totally closed down by terrorist rebels. The oil rigs destroyed by the hurricanes, about a hundred plus of them, have not yet recovered. All 25 refineries on the Gulf Cost were shut down by the hurricanes. How many are still down? I have no clue, just axing "how long until they return to full production?" We have not built a new refinery since '72! Can you say "EARTH DAY?"
I knew that you could, Haut.
Supply is way down. Unless Congress permits drilling in the Gulf coast, drilling in Alaska, permits more refineries to be built, supply will not increase any time soon. When demand goes up, the price increases. When supply decreases, the price goes up. No one can stop this! Not even dingy harry!! Bolivia seized control of the energy fields and "nationalized" them. Now, since Bolivia "nationalized" everything, seizes all energy supplies (that is socialism in ACTION for the unenlightened lemmings amoung us), it would leave ExxonMobil, the accused "robber barons," screwed out of about $3 billion in investments. It would leave the Brazilian "robber barons" screwed out of about $3.5billion!! So you want to blame "BIG OIL"?? Go ahead. Have fun .It's Big Dictator time. Of the top 14 oil exporters, only one is a well-established liberal democracy - Norway. Two others have recently made a transition to democracy - Mexico and Nigeria. Iraq is trying to follow in their footsteps... (No thanks to Dingy harry or pelosi) That's all! Every other major oil exporter is a dictatorship - and the run-up in oil prices has been a tremendous boon to them. This is the case for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
On May 3rd of last year,Max Boot wrote in the Los Angeles Times: "My associate at the Council on Foreign relations, Ian Cornwall, calculates that if oil averages $71 a barrel this year, 10 autocracies (or dictatorships) stand to make about $500 billion more than in 2003, when oil was at $27.
"This windfall helps to squelch liberal forces and entrench noxious dictators in such oil producers as Russia (which stands to make $115 billion more this year than in 2003) and Venezuela ($36 billion). Vladimir Putin and Hugo Chavez can buy off their publics with generous subsidies and ignore Western pressure while sabotaging democratic developments from Central America to Central Asia." This is what Max Boot calls "the dictatorship dividend." It "also subsidizes Sudan's ethnic cleansing ([Sudan] stands to earn $4.7 billion more this year than in 2003), Iran's development of nuclear weapons ($45 billion) and Saudi Arabia's proselytization for Wahhabi fundamentalism ($149 billion). Even in such close American allies as Kuwait ($35 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($36 billion)" more.
My socialist friends, THAT was one year ago!!!!
color=red]Wake up and what are you smoking anyway??!!![color] Remember that? Better late than never? Where's your sign? Let me borrow it for a minute and fix it up... Caution WET PAINT!!
Obsene profits my eye, man! If you take Exxon's profit, $39.5 billion dollars, the most reported profit, divided equally among every man, woman, child, and illegal immigrant in this country, it would be enough for maybe every man, woman and child and illegal immigrant to go out and buy three or four gallons of gasoline. You could do it one time, because after you take their whole profit, Exxon's going to say, "Why should I stay in business in this country?" It isn't going to happen. It's not that much money.
But American socialists/liberals (for some reason they do not like being called "Democrats" as whitnessed above) have been led to believe by a Drive-By Media and their champions in office, that Big Oil, alone -- maybe Big Drug, too -- is able to magically set its price for every product to guarantee itself not only a huge profit, but that you get "the shaft", and that they are not part of the market, that they somehow are independent of market forces. They
have so many market forces preying on these companies. If I were Big Oil CEO, I would call members of the government up, and I would conduct hearings and I would ask them, "Why is it you are making it so hard for us to do business? You won't let us drill. You will not let us build any new refineries. You will not let us do one thing to expand our operations in your country, and all the while, you're blaming us for gouging customers." Market forces totally constrain Big Oil just like any other business. You're going to have to shelve this belief that there's some wizard behind a curtain that can do whatever he wants price-wise, independent of the market.
As for a profits tax, why is extortion the only socialist answer?
I got yer winfall profits tax" Pry it from my wallet if you think you can.
