Gas Selection ??

HS91_Mike

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I have a 97 Johnson 175. I have heard two opinions about what type (octane rating 87, 89, 93) of gas to use in high performance outboard engines.

I have heard that premium burns to Hot and you dont get complete combustion. And that Regualr has impurities in it and contributes to carbon build up.

Do I use Regular (87) or Premium (93) and why?:confused:
Thanks
 

pmat1

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Re: Gas Selection ??

If i remember correctly the lower the octain the higer the btu's so 87 should be fine.
 

JB

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Re: Gas Selection ??

The higher octane fuels have additives that offer no advantage to outboard engines and, according to some, can shorten the life of the engine.

By no measure is your Johnny 175 a high performance engine. High performance 2 strokes are more temperamental than spoiled women and are used in racing only.

The idea that higher octane translates to higher quality is pure mythology. They put it on drugs so it can make high compression engines run.

Back in the days of leaded gas some makers recommended using "white" (unleaded) gas, which was about 80 octane.
 

dingbat

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Re: Gas Selection ??

The only thing premium about premium gas is the price.

Your Engine manufacturer says to use 87 octane in your motor. Use it.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Gas Selection ??

Octane is a measure of resistance to pre-ignition. Higher octanes can be compressed more without pre-ingition. If your OB is designed with those higher compression ratios (11::1 - 14::1), higher octane could help. However, most production outboards are designed with lower compression and made to run on regular gas.

BTW - Higher octane gas burns at a lower temperature.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Gas Selection ??

As far as I know virtually all 2 stroke outboards are recommended to run on 87 octane.
 

64osby

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Re: Gas Selection ??

I have talked to a couple of small engine repair guys I know and they all say to run your smaller engines on mid grade "89"

I've been doing it for about 5 years now and have had no problems on my outboards, lawn mowers, chain saws and snow blowers.

I used to have a lot of trobles on the small 2 cycle engines before I switched.
 

sho3boater

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Re: Gas Selection ??

Lower octane burns hotter and cleaner, but it depends on the compression of the engine more than anything. More compression equals more power other things equal. Modern cars run more because of better combustion chamber design, extensive electronics, even variable valve control. Some will make more power on premium because they sense it and advance the timing more, a few cars require it. For a 2 stroke OB it depends on how stressed it is and when it was made. For example some larger OB older than the mid 70s do have higher compression (such as the larger Merc inlines, but many had newer low compression pistons fitted) and the manufacturers later recommended lower timing advance and many people say run premium also just in case. A newer motor I would use what is recommended providing it is stock motor. And old motor I would research, however most are not that stressed or don't have a history of pre-ignition issues. Near anything from the late 70s and newer should not have an issue with fuel octane, unless it is a performance motor of some kind then it may. Most all of those were not really available to the public.

Most lawn equipment has very low compression and can run on about any fuel, even year old fuel. Even if it runs poorly most small engines are not stressed and don't care at worst you end up slapping a new headgasket on it. Not a good idea with an outboard though, always run fresh fuel they run WOT all the time and need to run properly. But for most all equipment/motors if it was made for X fuel, that is fine to run in it. Very few manufacturers make a mistake there. Running higher octane when you don't need it is a waste of money and the engine will often run worse unless it has the electronics like some cars to take advantage of it. It may not run worse enough for you to tell the difference, but it will carbon up more. Cheap fuel will burn faster, more complete, and cleaner than high octane. There is no point in using more octane unless you have high compression thus requiring it.
 
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