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Hey Guys: Getting ready to fill up my '88 2550 Bayliner(5.7),I have heard many different opinions on gas grade. Is it worth the $$ to get the 89 octane(or higher)or just stay with the 87 octane???
 

roscoe

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87 should be good,<br />stay away from the "mid-grade" gas (in your car too)<br />Go with higher octane if you wish.<br /><br />More important is to buy gas from a busy (high turnover) gas station. One that has sold you good gas for your car (track record.<br /><br />Then add a good fuel stabilizer to the gas. Sta-bil or Seafoam should do the trick.
 

NYMINUTE

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go 87, save the $$. Like roscoe said, get the fuel at a high sales station.
 

Ron G

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just wondering why do you add fuel stablizer.i alsalways thought you just added it for if your boat was going to be sitting for awhile?
 

craze1cars

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I run Sta-bil year round myself, that way I know it's always fresh. It serves as a water remover, a carb cleaner, and it's one less thing to think about for maintenance at the end of the season. Also, my boat sits for a month or two between uses many times, and that's long enough for today's gas to start to degrade. If I used mine more often I may likely skip it for early season and just start adding it in the late season.
 

vipzach

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Originally posted by dcliveaboard:<br /> Hey, Roscoe, why steer clear of mid-grade?
I am curious about that too. I often switch between the mid-grade and the 87.
 

CATransplant

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I'm with Roscoe. The mid-grade gas costs more, but offers no benefit at all...in cars or outboards. As long as you go to a busy station where the fuel is used up quickly, the 87-octane stuff is just fine in outboards and most cars.<br /><br />Anything else is a waste of bucks.
 

craze1cars

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I'll agree with that. Never heard of any manufacturer recommending "minimum 89 octane" in their owner's manuals. It's generally either 87 or 91. 89 is a senseless product successfully sold by the oil companies marketing departments. Likewise, we're all interested in the freshest fuel possible. That midgrade is the least used, therefore the oldest, at stations that actually run 3 tanks. However many are not aware that most gas stations have 2 inground tanks and mix their midgrade at the pump. Obviously in those cases the freshness argument goes out the window.<br /><br />If your vehicle pings on 87, but clears it's throat on 89, it's not the fuel that's fixing the problem. Something's actually wrong with the vehicle and it needs service.
 

QC

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Generally I agree with the comments here concerning octane, but I want to bring something up worth discussing. Although the original question concerned an '88 Merc 5.7, the answers have been more general in nature sometimes coming close to inferring that octane is just this side of meaningless. Octane is a rating of knock resistance and I agree that with older, mechanical, carbureted engines that if it doesn't knock with 87 then great!! Save some money. My confusion (or desire for discussion) comes from the fact that modern, completely electronic (MPI and EFI) engines usually employ a knock sensor. Doesn't this allow the ECM to push up against knock limit and then back off? If so, wouldn't your engine operate at peak efficiencies and power if it was allowed to advance the timing as far as is safe?<br /><br />If you throw in a couple of other knock inducing factors; load and ambient air temp, I have decided to run higher octane gas in my boat AND my tow vehicle when towing. We deal with up to 117 F towing from LA to the Colorado River and climb up to 8% grades. The boat runs under the same ambient conditions and when pulling skiers, or blasting a WOT run, the boat is often running at full load conditions too. It just seems to make sense to me to give those engines as much help as possible giving me the highest performance they can.<br /><br />Wouldn't the mid-grade also enhance performance as compared to 87 in the examples I noted? Yes, I know they will both run with the 87, and I have previously believed it is a waste, but again, these engines can adjust for the octane, right?
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by Quietcat:<br /> these engines can adjust for the octane, right?
Only in one direction. And that totally depends on how they're programed. A vehicle that's set up to run 91 octane will use it's knock sensors to retard timing back to a safe zone if 87 is dumped in. It will run fine, but at a lesser performance level, as thte computer is stopping the knock to prevent damage to the engine.<br /><br />However, a vehicle that's programmed to run 87 is not going to advance it's timing and increase performance just because you put 89 or 91 in it. I do not believe the computer has any way of sensing octane, only detonation...so it has no idea you put the good stuff in. All it knows is that it's not detonating (knocking), so it runs along at it's standard 87 timing curve. If you discover any performance improvement by running 89 in a car that calls for 87, I still maintain that something's wrong with the vehicle and it should be checked out.<br /><br />Being a boat forum, I answered primarily presuming that 95% of the questions here are pertaining to old-school carburated setups, thought FINALLY the boat industry is waking up and starting to leap forward all the way into the late 1980's with their "new" fuel injection technology and computer controls. :D <br /><br />There's no question that computer controlled cars are a completely different animal, and I certainly understand your thought process, but I still feel that any more octane than recommended for any stock vehicle just means you're unnecessarily spitting dimes outta the exhaust pipe.
 

QC

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Oh Crazy1,<br /><br />Totally agree on the inability to adjust for the octane specifically. Poor choice of words at the end . . .<br /><br />Are you positive that these engines don't "hunt" for detonation? i.e. advance to just when it starts to knock and then retard slightly? I don't know, just thought that they did. You are probably right on automotive engines as any advance above the base timing map would have negative emission implications. That shouldn't stop the marine boys though . . . yet. :eek:
 

AaronG

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My 94 BMW 525i specifically recomeds 89 octane fuel. BMW is pretty adiment about it, it says it right on the fuel cap too.<br /><br />In my neck of the woods, most fuel docks only sell 89 octane. Some are 87, but they are all about the same price.
 
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