Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

keelhauled

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Hi Folks,

Going up to Lake Erie for Memorial Day. We were informed that we will likely have to raft due to the number of boats requiring mooring.

Can anyone explain the procedure of rafting? How does one depart if one is stuck in the middle? Are there gentlemen's rules to be followed that aren't written?

This is probably a silly question, but I want to be sure I don't do something stupid. Never hurts to ask, right?

P.S. I hope I put this in the right place lol
 

OldePharte

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Can't speak for Erie, but locally it goes something like this:

1. First, decide if you want a party group or a family group, then scout around. Also listen to the music genre being played.

2. Always ask permission to tie up next to any one.

3. Have sufficient size and quantity of fenders needed. Also have enough and properly sized boat lines for tying up.

4. Offer new "lakemates" an appropriate drink of choice.

5. Plan on going with the flow of partying. If you want to join those on the next boat, always ask permission, but don't take it personal if they say no.

6. Don't try or get into a battle of the tunes if you're late to the party.

7. If you will be grilling, don't be putting them T-bones on the grill unless you have enough for all. If things go well with the neighbors, it wouldn't hurt to bring extra snacks, chip/dip, etc. and offer them up.

8. If you need to leave and are in the "middle", notify those on both sides and assist in moving boat lines between them. They will need to pull together when you leave.

Short list and probably left something out.
 

180shabah

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Avoid using the generator, CO is a killer, and not just on your boat.
 

david_r

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Can't speak for Erie, but locally it goes something like this:

1. First, decide if you want a party group or a family group, then scout around. Also listen to the music genre being played.

2. Always ask permission to tie up next to any one.

3. Have sufficient size and quantity of fenders needed. Also have enough and properly sized boat lines for tying up.

4. Offer new "lakemates" an appropriate drink of choice.

5. Plan on going with the flow of partying. If you want to join those on the next boat, always ask permission, but don't take it personal if they say no.

6. Don't try or get into a battle of the tunes if you're late to the party.

7. If you will be grilling, don't be putting them T-bones on the grill unless you have enough for all. If things go well with the neighbors, it wouldn't hurt to bring extra snacks, chip/dip, etc. and offer them up.

8. If you need to leave and are in the "middle", notify those on both sides and assist in moving boat lines between them. They will need to pull together when you leave.

Short list and probably left something out.



i agree with all except for the t-bone statement.............let'em bring their own steak..........you could offer to cook it for'em but you shouldnt have to feed them just because your tied together....snacks are a different story however........of course when we party on the lake its usually a bunch of bassboats tied together :D:D........dont know how it is for upperclass folk though.

i tell people before they ever get in my boat (usually the night before a planned trip)..........................its a boat ---- if you dont bring it you wont have it ---- so if there is anyhting "special" you want or need BRING IT ....otherwise make due with what i brought......this is my rule---especially if im out fishing and the fish are biting good...wont be no trips to the bank nor marina when the fish are comin in the boat left and right.
 

salty87

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

just asking this question shows you'll probably do fine.

1,2,3, and 5 are the most important, imo. extra supplies are a great thing to have, nobody wants to run out. don't forget the floats or camera.
 

QC

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I moved this over here as it is probably the more appropriate section. Probably unnecessary as you have some good answers, but it can help future users when searching for answers . . .
 

Mark42

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I have never seen rafting where I boat. Is this a lake/calm water thing? I can't imagine the damage that would be done if there were waves, even with fenders.
 

OldePharte

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Most likely in a sheltered cove or no wake area.

Here at Lake of the Ozarks, a cove in the state park has been taken over for the party crowd. I won't post a link as most sites have either an R rated or X rated content. There are thousands of boats tied up there.

Elsewhere on the lake are more kid-friendly areas where people meet up on the weekends to take it easy in a group setting.

Can't speak for the Great Lakes areas.
 

QC

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Yeah we raft up in coves too, but usually only two or three boats. With two I like stern to stern, with an anchor off the bows at opposite ends and tied so there is a gap between the boats. Cleat to cleat at the stern corners. Takes no fenders and there is a protected "pool" between the swimsteps and lines. Easy to adjust from either bow once you have the right distance set at the sterns.
 

rentprop1

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I have never seen rafting where I boat. Is this a lake/calm water thing? I can't imagine the damage that would be done if there were waves, even with fenders.

damage usually comes from people walking across your desk with sand/dirt on their feet or kids jumping on the seats and diving off the top of the seat back cushions....when we have to raft I like to be in the end ( last one outside ) but then everyone wants to dive from, or climb back on your boat, all wet.

I am not a party pooper, but its the folks that aren't gentlemen that ruin it for people like me......its the people with the rental boats that don't care and bang into yours ( cause they don't have fenders ) and let their kids run across all the boats in a line

this is a spring break pic ( not mine, I way to old for that ), but this is a rafting nightmare IMHO !
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QC

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

That's a place we go to a lot ^^^^^^ they close it on big weekends now. It is called the Sandbar and it is just north of Havasu in the Topock Wildlife Refuge . . . definitely wildlife. They would never let it get that big anymore, that looks like at least 10 years ago. It's actually kinda beach where the people are standing and the boats are either beached or at anchor. Nobody really rafts up there.

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OldePharte

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I found this aerial of LOTO party cove,
 

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briguy2817

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Here at Lake of the Ozarks, a cove in the state park has been taken over for the party crowd. I won't post a link as most sites have either an R rated or X rated content.

Dang, I looked up some of those sites(you started it) and I'll tell you this much, I'm boating in the wrong area!

Brian
 

OldePharte

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Here at Lake of the Ozarks, a cove in the state park has been taken over for the party crowd. I won't post a link as most sites have either an R rated or X rated content.

Dang, I looked up some of those sites(you started it) and I'll tell you this much, I'm boating in the wrong area!

Brian

The funny part is that it is located in Missouri's largest state park. And the park rangers don't have any boats. Because it is in the state park, the Missouri Water Patrol, pretty much stays out, unless specifically called in for assistance. So pretty much anything goes. The WP does setup stops as people leave, primarily checking for BUI.

The nice part is that you have to want to go there to find it. Off the beaten path. With LOTO having close to 1,000 miles of shoreline, it doesn't affect family boating activities one bit.
 

LSM

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Here is one of our Raft ups. We do this every weekend. We stay together from Friday to Sunday.

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Nandy

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I have never rafted before but I am familiar with it. Specially when you go to that bit secluded spot and after being 20 min and getting used to the peace they all show up and raft you out of your anchor... Is good, is everyone lake... I just which they moved to a different cove when they see a lonely boat in the side of the cove... It looked like fun though. Last one I say they all seem to know each other as they got to where I was anchored pretty much following each other. Lots of hot mommas that were just showing off their bikinis!!! :)
Other than those few occasions we experience the sand bar thing more Everyone anchor in the sand bar and have a party.
 

Tabes117

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

I found this aerial of LOTO party cove,

We rafted at party cove couple summers ago. It was just Like the picture, CRAZY!! Nine guys on my friends 27' Rinker bowrider. We had a son that was 19 be the designated driver. You would not believe the pictures that we took.. The wives refused to go, and mine deleted all my pictures. On the weekends it is not a place for kids. They had a guy on a pontoon driving along selling bags of ice, pop/water, brats/dogs and beads. The boat had a giant inflatable male .... and the female assistant was topless. I saw three boats pulled over getting tested for BUI.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

Rafting out on Lake Erie? Oh Boy, if you wait for a calm day, you may have a wait as there isn't hardly any days when that lake is calm. I've fished on Lake Erie many times. Just being anchored pulling in yellow perch has got some of my friends sick to their stomach. Maybe 1 day out of a couple of weeks the forecast might be 1' to 2' waves, but the majority of the time it is 1' to 3' or worse.

I'm not saying its not done, but I've never seen too many boats that raft together out on the lake. As mentioned, it is probably done in coves, bays, or rivers leading into the lake where the water remains calm.

Does rafting occur out in the ocean? I ask this as this littlest lake of the great lakes tends to act like its own little ocean at times and is just as dangerous if not more.

Good Luck on you adventures..............SS
 

mattttt25

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

We raft up almost every weekend, always a good time. Here's everything you need know, as publishe by our boating club:


Poker Run & Raft Up Tips

With so many people and so many boats, it?s important all attendees be familiar with proper etiquette and the rafting process to make each CBPBA successful and safe for everyone. Most of this is pure common sense, mixed with a little common courtesy and mutual respect. Some of it is based on physics. There will be a pop quiz at the next CBPBA Poker Run / Raftup , so be sure to study hard.

If you have any questions, simply ask any CBPBA Volunteer. We use VHF Channel 69 while out on the water.

PRE-RAFTUP PREPARATION

* You?ll need a minimum of 2 fenders, but 3 or 4 is preferred. The more the merrier if we?re in a choppy location. And DON'T show up with little sissy sailboater fenders, bring big ones! Invest in the largest fenders you can safely stow, they help protect the boats especially in areas where there is wave or wake action. You'll never catch any grief for having too big fenders. Size matters when it comes to fenders!!

* Ideally all boats should have 5 to 6 docklines, but ensure you have at least 3. At a minimum you?ll use 1 to the bow, 1 to the stern and a 3rd as a springline. Springlines, like anchors are extremely important in a huge raftup. They will help minimze the drift on the line.

* As with the other items above, this one?s really not an option. Be sure to bring your anchor and 100? of line minimum. We?re usually in 10? of water or less. Conventional wisdom would call for 50? to 75? of line deployed, sometimes we?ll use more or less depending on the location. More important information regarding anchors is located below.

* Bring plenty of food and drink, protection from the shade, etc., all the normal things you take for a day on the water. But if you plan to drink alcohol, please be responsible. Ensure you have a sober designated captain aboard for the ride home, or plan to stay the night on the raft.

* Don?t forget your inflatable rafts & water toys!!


APPROACHING THE RAFT


* RELAX and enjoy!! You?re probably going to be just like the rest of us upon arrival, all excited and ready to go. Just take your time, the raftup isn?t going anywhere. Take a peek around you, see if there?s a line of boats to the approach, are people already there waiting to raftup in front of you? Take it slow and easy, we?ll guide you in.

* Anchors aweigh! Unfortunately, most people hate dropping their anchor, but it?s not an option for a CBPBA Raftup. For everyone?s safety at a raftup, we need a lot of anchors to protect people, and boats. We may not need it, but have your anchor out and ready to deploy when you approach the raft. If you?re unable to drop anchor and backup to the raft, have the anchor ready and wait for one of our volunteers to approach for directions. Our volunteers will typically be in an inflatable dinghy.

* If you?ve travelled to the raftup with friends, get together before steering to the approach line. Let others go in front of you if you?re waiting for people. Common courtesy and respect is contagious.

* Ideally smaller boats should hover and wait for larger sized boats to approach the raftup line. Rafting up several boats is easier and stronger when we run larger boat sizes out to the smaller sizes.

* Always try to raft up with boats of similar size and type to avoid damage caused by rubbing between dramatically disparate sizes (i.e., a 22' up against a 42' won't work, damage will most likely result to both vessels). As a rule of thumb, it?s probably more important to consider your freeboard at the stern and midship than length, but always try to raft with boats of similar dimension and size first.

* Place guests/mates at positions on the bow and stern for raftup approach, have lines and fenders ready. Don?t forget, you?ll need to have anchor ready to deploy.

* Always approach at idle speed and angle approach into the wind or current.

* Be aware of anchor lines and locations as you approach. It?s generally understood if you cut an anchor line by accident, it?s your responsibility to arrange for a replacement with the other captain. If you do happen to cut a line, don?t freak out, just swap contact info and buy the guy a new anchor, pretty simple. If we didn?t all agree to this little understanding, nobody would want to throw an anchor. Without anchors, we can?t safely have a huge raftup.

* Make it a point to tell your crew, when they throw a line to somebody, do it with authority, throw it to a point beyond the person!! This will hopefully minimize the ?girlie? man toss we often see, resulting with a line in the water because the toss fell short.

* Probably one of the most important things to know about rafting up a boat is to tie up the stern first, as tight as possible. You want no slack in the line. Once the stern is pulled tight and secured, lash the bow line snug.

* Finally, tie spring lines to keep your boat from sliding forward or backward while on the raft. This also allows us to more easily adjust the raft quickly, and helps prevent boats from being damaged.

I?M TIED UP TO THE RAFT, SO NOW WHAT?


* Somewhere above, we mentioned common courtesy and respect are contagious. Keep it in mind, you?re now taking part in a fun raftup on the Chesapeake Bay, so have a good time! Introduce yourself to the crew and captain of the boats tied up to you, offer up a cold beverage, introduce your crew, but don?t break wind under any circumstances until you?re clear of the boat and safely in the water. We have a very strict ?no farting? policy at all raftup events.

* NO SHOES PLEASE! Remove shoes before traversing the raftup, and try to walk "swim platform to swim platform" if available. Cross the raftup or crawl across sunpads on boats with no platform area. If no swim platform or sunpad is available, ask the captain of the boat you?re crossing where you should step. Of course you can always just jump in the water to move around, but that?s just going to mess up your hair.

* Always assist incoming boats joining the raftup. It?s rare we have too many people helping, so pitch in when you can.

* If you don?t know the people rafted next to you, request permission to board bow areas before jumping over to assist, bare feet only, no shoes please.

* Be sure you and your crew STAY OUT OF THE WATER while other boats are still joining the raft. All it takes is a stiff breeze, a strong wake, a broken throttle or steering cable, and all of a sudden a boat is running into the swimming area!! Play it safe, be smart, wait until there?s no threat of an errant boat running into the water where you intend to swim.

* Props and outdrives are sharp. Unless you want to cut your day short for a run to the local emergency room, remind everyone to swim clear of props and outdrives.

* The Pool?s Open!! Okay, the raft line is good, no boats in the area, time to go swimming. Yes, this is a 1st Grade topic, but also a good reminder to us adults. Don?t dive headfirst off your boat. Diving into shallow water is dangerous. There, we said it.

* I said, The Pool?s Open!! A physics lesson now. Any human body attempting to swim between boats rafted together will be completely crushed, resulting in serious injury or death. People forget, or whatever, but this does happen. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO GO BETWEEN THE BOATS FOR ANY REASON. There are 100?s of thousands of pounds of boats all rafted together, you don?t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out a wake moving the raft will generate enormous pounds of pressure in the resulting squeeze.

* Everybody loves good music and sometimes the CBPBA provides live music, or a DJ. But in the absence of the CBPBA provided music, keep your own sound system at a level you can here while on your boat, not at a level you can hear 5 boats away. Sure everybody would appreciate a custom 1000 watt amplified system with 2 12? bass woofers, but if it?s blaring country music, we may be forced to unleash the CBPBA tactical scuba diving team with adjustable wrenches to pull the offending boat?s drain plug.

* Have a drink, have two, have as many as you want. But if you plan to drink alcohol, don?t drive your boat. Designate a competent and sober captain for the ride home, or just plan to spend the night on your boat while tied to the raft. It?s just so easy, pure and simple. Don?t drink and drive.

* GIVE A HOOT, DON?T POLLUTE!! Don?t throw anything in the water, period. This includes cigarette butts!! If you must smoke, throw butts in a trash container on your boat. People are swimming and mingling, keep the water clean.

* Use VHF Channel 69 for boat-to-boat communication or to contact a CBPBA Event Volunteer for advice or help with anything.
* NEVER be embarrassed to ask questions!! Everyone learns from each other and members are willing to help with any given situation.



TURN OUT THE LIGHTS . . . THE PARTY?S OVER. (THE 10 MINUTE WARNING)

* Your wife just called wondering where you are, your girlfriend called wondering where you are, and neither is happy with you at the moment. You gotta? go!! We need a 10 minute warning at a minimum. Departing the raft can be extremely dangerous, so it has to be done right!!

* Locate the people from the boats on either side of you first. Blow a horn, pass the word down the raft line, shout out their names, whatever it takes, find them. You need to have at least 4 people (who are not on your boat) to assist in your departure.

* If you can?t locate the other crews, find 4 people willing to help. Each of the 4 people is positioned to the bow and stern of the adjacent boats. If you have an anchor out, it comes up last, don?t release or pull it until you?re away from the raft. Alternatively, if you know the people next to you, you can always leave the anchor with them, tie the line to their bow and have them bring it to you the next day.

* Now that you have 4 people positioned, BE CERTAIN NO SWIMMERS ARE NEAR YOUR BOAT, check bow and stern before starting your engine(s).

* The 4 people you shang-hai?d into helping will untie the lines and ensure there?s enough line to lift up and over your boat to the adjacent boat as you depart. Check the line lengths, ensure they?re long enough to reach. In essence, these 4 people will be creating a hole from which you can leave, but they will have to pull against one another to close the gap after you?ve departed.

* Slowly move out of the raft line. Realize the power of ?neutral?, you don?t have to be in gear the whole time you?re leaving. Once you?re clear of the raft, pick up your anchor.

* Once you have the anchor properly stowed, a little toot of the horn, a snickering grin and a golf wave are all we need to know you?re okay and on your way home.
 

Campylobacter

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Re: Gentlemen's Rules for Rafting?

We raft up almost every weekend, always a good time. Here's everything you need know, as publishe by our boating club:

Wow, that is pretty comprehensive. Great info.

I'm not sure I could comply with the "no farting" rule, sometimes its just beyond my control :D
 
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