Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

jusfloatin

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I have a couple of 1957 35hp Evinrudes model #25930

I will be stripping them down to rebuild.

Are there any tricks or modifications that could be made to this model which would maximize the performance one could expect from this motor verses a stock condition.

I will be up dateing the fuel system.

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jacksoldoutboards

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

I like them just the way they are.. I think you get what you get. That is how they were designed to run the best.

 

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

If you need more than 35HP, buy a bigger motor.
 

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i agree with jack. there is no doubt that there were people back in the days when these motors were state of the art, that had expertise in modifying them for more power. many of those people are old or dead, and the specialized knowledge and one-off parts they may have made have gone with them. Most, but not all. So if you are up for needle-in-a-haystack work finding parts and expertise, then press on. in the mean time, these old "big twin" omc outboards are a blast to own and operate and can be as reliable as anything, and simple to repair. i had a 1959 35 that was nowhere near as nice looking as jack's older model because it was used in salt water several times a month, not as a novel showpiece, but as a workhorse, earning it's keep. it even suffered the blasphemy of having young hipster'esque stickers on the cowl, courtesy of the previous owner. i never even thought of taking them off while i owned her because again... this motor was a workhorse, not a showpiece. and it never let me down.

-peter
 

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

If you need more than 35HP, buy a bigger motor.

It's not that i want a race motor but since I will be stripping it down to rebuild it, I am curious if there might be a small tweak that would improve it even a little bit.

2 35hp will be plenty.
 

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

i agree with jack. there is no doubt that there were people back in the days when these motors were state of the art, that had expertise in modifying them for more power. many of those people are old or dead, and the specialized knowledge and one-off parts they may have made have gone with them. Most, but not all.
-peter


You going to get some hate mail out of that.

I do appreciate your opinion. Thanks

jacksoldoutboards boat is a beauty.
 

wilde1j

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

I owned a '58 35HP years ago. It was a dependable, good running motor. There's nothing practical you could do for more HP. Enjoy what you've got.
 

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

My '57 Lark is very dependable and has never stranded me. Just came back in from a pontoon ride - she'd been sitting for about 2 weeks without running and last night we had frost. She fired right up and carried us around the lake flawlessly. With proper maintenance, I'm sure she'll run another 50 years.

Why are you rebuilding yours? If it has good compression, a tune-up, carb rebuild, impeller change, and maybe gearcase seals will bring it back to life.
 

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

this was my 1959 35hp big twin, from post #4:
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Still getting used like crazy at the hands of the new owner.

-peter
 

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I wouldn't fool with the motors trying to get more hp out of them, but there are a couple of convenience items that are pretty easy. First, you can install fuel pumps on them and second, you can put Mercury starter solenoids in the pans, if you want to. The Mercury solenoids are smaller than the OMC items, so they are easier to fit. You will have to remove the air silencers, though. I have a pair of 58s with thes two mods.

BTW, someone put a steering bracket on your motor, by drilling through the front of the transom clamp. I would be very careful of that. In fact, I would probably remove it and fill the holes with some JB Weld. Better yet, I might even have a welder who knows how to weld cast aluminum, fill them.

I'll try to get back in this thread later this evening, to provide more info on the mods that I mentioned.



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jusfloatin

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

I believe I need to make my question a bit clearer.

The two 35hp motors I have will be mounted on the back of my 1957 Thunderhawk SR. which is in the process of getting new stringers, transom and floor.
It would be a shame to place these two motors on that boat regardless of how well they run or don't run.
They will be torn down and rebuilt and painted so they would look as good as the boat or at least hopefully they do.

I have no interest in boring this out to the max, stroking the crank or trying to get 10 more hp out of it.

What I am asking is there any tips to improve the performance of these motors.
i.e.; rifle the carb, polish the intake opening, run forged pistons if one needs to be changed.

There are a lot of things that can be done to improve any motor and not take away from the reliability of this sacred cow of motors.

jay_merrill the one motor will be reverted back to be steered by cable and I was lucky enough to get remote relay boxs and controls with both the motors.
 

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I think I'd aim for getting all of the original 35 ponies and call it good. You'd be surprised how many people on here want "more power" out of their motor when in fact their motor isn't even giving them the rated power. If you're going through the trouble of rebuilding them I think you'll find they will give you excellent performance in stock trim. Polishing, porting, etc. may work on a high performance application but in a family runabout configuration any gains would be negligible at best. The best thing you can spend your time on is motor set-up and propeller selection - that's where the real gains will be made....
 

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I think I'd aim for getting all of the original 35 ponies and call it good. You'd be surprised how many people on here want "more power" out of their motor when in fact their motor isn't even giving them the rated power. If you're going through the trouble of rebuilding them I think you'll find they will give you excellent performance in stock trim. Polishing, porting, etc. may work on a high performance application but in a family runabout configuration any gains would be negligible at best. The best thing you can spend your time on is motor set-up and propeller selection - that's where the real gains will be made....

Propellers and getting the most of them is a question I hope to be asking soon, I have been wondering for some time how I was going to match the proper prop when running twins and a set of twins where you have to guess at what the RPM's are.

But before I get to that part I would like as you posted "getting the rated power"
 

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There are a variety of props available for the motors, up to 14" in pitch. They are getting harder to find, though. Your best bet for matching rpm is simply to do so by sound, which is more accurate than you might think (out of sync motors will make a "rolling vibration" sound), or to use Tiny Tachs.

These are inductive tachs that work on the same principal as an inductive timing light, except that you don't need a 12V electrical source. Just wrap the red wire around a spark plug lead and ground the black wire and you have a digital tach with an hour meter.

If you order them, be sure to get units that are made for 2-stroke motors and have Tiny Tach assemble them with leads that are long enough to go from the dash to the motors. Tiny Tach claims that you can't lengthen the wires yourself, but I've actually done that. If I were to do it over again, though, I would probably spec the longer wires to begin with.

http://www.tinytach.com/

Frankly, I wouldn't spend the time fooling with carbs, special pistons, etc. These old motors were rated at the crank and you aren't even going to get 35hp out of them. Lots of power out of old motors like the Bigtwins, really isn't the point, anyway. I saw the pics of your boat in your other thread and believe that it will run at least in the high 30s with a pair of Bigtwins on it. I am basing this on having once had my '58s on a 15.5 foot Glassmaster trihull, which is probably heavier than your boat.

My advice is to compression test the motors and leave the powerheads alone, if you get good numbers. If you seem a little low, run a can of BRP engine tuner (removes carbon) through each and recheck. If the numbers that you get are even (+ or - 10%) and 100 psi to 120 psi, you've got pretty decent motors. If you are still a little low, my next step would be to replace the head gaskets.

I'm not saying not to crack the powerheads if you have a reason to, but short of that, you are making a lot of work for very little, if any gain. Put the time in carb rebuilds with stock parts, water pump rebuilds, new ignition coils, points, condensors wires, etc. If you want them to look really spiffy, paint them too.

BTW, your motors later evolved into the OMC 28 hp motors of the early 60s and the 33hp motors of the middle/late 60s. Because of this, there are many parts that are interchangable. For example, if you need a new starter and find one on EBay for a 28hp motor, it will fit.

One particular issue that I am aware of with the '57s, is that the clutch dogs are pretty hard to find. That said, you might not have '57 gearcases on them anyway. The older motors are pretty well known for haing a variety of parts on them, after years of fixing stuff to keep them going.

PS: The one mod that I would do to the motors, is to put fuel pumps on them. Its really not hard to do and saves you having to deal with pressure tanks. If you think you would want to do this, post the info here and I'll explain how.



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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

Just a heads up.. be sure to pin out the cable pins on your new acquired cables. I had to change some wires around inside the box. They were not all pinned the same. Accessories such as a Generator may have dictated this

 

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Sheesh Jack! Spend much time polishing your Feathercraft? ;) Looks great!
- Scott
 

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Sheesh Jack! Spend much time polishing your Feathercraft? ;) Looks great!
- Scott


It is easier to keep it on the bright side rather than let is go the other direction. People ask - "is that stainless steel?"
 

jusfloatin

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Re: Getting the most from my 1957 35hp

I thank you all for your tips and suggestions.

I will be taking some from jay_merrill on giving them a compression test and then in any case pop the head to have a look see. If I didn't it would bug me to no end.
The fuel pump conversion parts list is up towards the top of the big to order parts list.

jay cruising high 30's in this boat on a hot sunny day, I am not a religious man but Lord may there be a cold beer in my hand when I doing it.

Electrics I will leave that up to a buddy that does auto electrics plus chances are he will be standing around tippin and sippin my beers anyways.

It is too bad a person could not get round Tiny-tachs that would fit into the dash plates. I am trying to keep the look period correct.
I would realy prefer a tach over an amp meter.
 

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Unfortunately, there really aren't any options for tachs that would be "period correct." There are other options, including one that has an optical sensor to "read" the teeth on the flywheel, but they are pricey. The Tiny Tach provides a functional and inexpensive option.

One possibility might be to recess the Tiny Tachs in the dash, with a cover. That would allow you to hide them, when you don't feel that you need to know exact rpm.



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