"Getting Vietnam Right"

OldMercsRule

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By Mark Moyar: AUTHOR OF TWO DEFINITIVE BOOKS ON VIETNAM. Sorry JB just one more: Please????? Teddy Oldsmobile, John F Kerry, Chris Dodd need to have their faces rubbed in our collective SHAME. More Americans voted for that P*KE John Kerry then any other DEMOCRAT in history, N' for that they sould be real yes Mrs Jones THATS REAL PROUD!!!!

THIS IS A MUST READ!! JR

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11946
 

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Yes, we should all ridicule John Kerry, who had the audacity to actually go to Viet Nam and fight in the war (and be awarded medals for bravery), and we should celebrate those like **** Cheney and George W Bush, who, of course, had better things to do.

And no, Murky, I did not open and read your "definitive history" VN is too close to me, and I don't care to wade thru some right winger torture history yet again.
 

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PW2, you mean that award he got for shooting himself on that swift boat? Oh yea, lets bow at the feet of that idiot. *rolleyes*

To hear people that "fought" with him say how inept he was and how much of a liar he was, kinda makes ya think don't it?

I have a hard time respecting someone who comments without even reading the article.
 

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Yes, we should all ridicule John Kerry, who had the audacity to actually go to Viet Nam --
And i do, pw... EVERY CHANCE I GET.
Kerry was a traitor then, and is a traitor to this day. In any of the countries you and he champion, such behavior would behead him.
 

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There were alot of John Kerrys during Nam. You just never heard about them. There were alot of folks who said they were there and never were. Then there are folks who judge by only reading articles and all of a sudden become experts on what they have read. Only he knows and Vets who arent here will meet him when his time comes.

If you were not there you never would know the feeling and fear ones goes through when in combat. This goes for any war. Those who were there and protest have that right. Kerry is a word most vets ignore. But he was there. Those who respond to this thread were you?

Have you ever been in combat? I have and its something I have been trying to forget for 35 plus years. All wars are for politcal reason except WW11. It was our freedom that we fought for then. Says thanks to a vet this weekend for without them you would not be here to make judgement.

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God bless all those who served our country with honor and pride.
 

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If you were not there you never would know the feeling and fear ones goes through when in combat. This goes for any war. Those who were there and protest have that right. Kerry is a word most vets ignore. But he was there. Those who respond to this thread were you?

Have you ever been in combat? I have and its something I have been trying to forget for 35 plus years. All wars are for politcal reason except WW11. It was our freedom that we fought for then. Says thanks to a vet this weekend for without them you would not be here to make judgement.

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God bless all those who served our country with honor and pride.

All soldiers were scared, but not all came back home to become a traitor to their own nation.

Nobody in any thread said that JK didn't have the right to stand up and be an ***. The last sentence in your quote says it all, I do thank all those soldiers who fought for their country with honor and pride, I don't thank the ones who then came home to knock the war they just fought in. After all, what does that do to morale? Nobody wants to be over there, so coming home and becoming a traitor does nothing for your country and all but negates any good you did on the battlefield.

Most of the lawmakers and decision makers in congress have never been to war, yet they have the right to declare it. I've never had a soldier stand up to me and say that I shouldn't knock JK because I've never been in battle. That makes no sense whatsoever.

What I'd like to know is, if you are so proud of your service to your country, why get mad at people like us who are attacking the people who are attacking your fellow soldier's causes? You obviously have forgotten, we're on the same side here. We are not pro-war, but we are pro-democracy and pro-soldier.

My father served, my uncle served and my grandfather served. I was unable to enlist because of my severe flat feet. However I come from a family of soldiers and none of them act like you or John Kerry. They do, however, proudly fly the flag in their yards.

And I do thank soldiers all the time. I'm proud to shake their hand. I even gave a soldier a ride a couple of weeks ago when I saw him having to walk across the tarmac.

If all wars are political, why do so many soldiers volunteer for our armed forces? Either they like politics enough to risk their lives for it, or they know it's a worthwhile cause. I don't buy the carp that they do it for a free education. Maybe a handful do, but I highly doubt most of our soldiers are nothing but tuition freeloaders.
 

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Yes, we should all ridicule John Kerry,

If ya do some readin' instead of smokin' ya might understand why some of yer fellow Americans don't appreciate a Vet with a video recorder who recites KGB doctrine under oath in the US Senate n' on the World wide anti-American media as if it actually happened: WHEN IT DID NOT.

who had the audacity to actually go to Viet Nam and fight in the war (and be awarded medals for bravery), and we should celebrate those like **** Cheney and George W Bush, who, of course, had better things to do.

So those of us who did not go have no right ta try to not repeat the mistakes of some traitors? If yer not a rocket scientist ya have no right fer any opinions about space? Hmmmmmmmm, brings up ta ol' nagin' question don't ya think?

And no, Murky, I did not open and read your "definitive history"

The last thing ya wanna do is learn somethin', 'cause the MSM Kool aid ya been drinkin' since High School is sooooooooooo satisfyin' eh: PW2?

I only have one functional brain cell, but I go outa my way to sample quality reportin' n' thinkin' from all sides, (world wide).

I also have a knowledge of history which helps the ol' brain cell have a bit of perspective that is sooooooooo lackin' in the present flavor of MSM Kool aid n' public school monopoly, even Loon dominated secondary ed is adjenda driven.


History, (especially of fairly recent matters that may have secret documents that don't come to life fer years after the event), needs to be visited n' revisited n' pondered so ya get better with experience n' don't get STUCK ON STUPID.

VN is too close to me, and I don't care to wade thru some right winger torture history yet again.

Yah: ya wanna cling to the notion that DEFEAT is always good fer America, (don't actually examine the evidence: PW2), as the dim wits will vote in more Dems n' more NANNY GUBMINT if they can jus' keep the ol' head in the MSM sand n' avoid ANY CRITICAL THINKIN'. Sheesh. :eek: JR
 

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There were alot of John Kerrys during Nam. You just never heard about them. There were alot of folks who said they were there and never were. Then there are folks who judge by only reading articles and all of a sudden become experts on what they have read. Only he knows and Vets who arent here will meet him when his time comes.

If you were not there you never would know the feeling and fear ones goes through when in combat. This goes for any war. Those who were there and protest have that right. Kerry is a word most vets ignore. But he was there. Those who respond to this thread were you?

Have you ever been in combat? I have and its something I have been trying to forget for 35 plus years. All wars are for politcal reason except WW11. It was our freedom that we fought for then. Says thanks to a vet this weekend for without them you would not be here to make judgement.

Hospital Corpsman 1st Class (Doc)
1st Marine Brigade-1st Recon

In country 1969-1970 1971-1972

God bless all those who served our country with honor and pride.

Ya have to be kiddin': World War 2 was not "political"? Hmmmmmm.

I did not serve in the military, but I'm just as able to vote and speak me single brain cell as you are. WE ARE BOTH AMERICANS AREN'T WE?

Thanks fer yer service. Did you not serve to protect my rights to speak out n' vote?

Not all soldiers are perfect. Not all of us are perfect. If fact if ya know one class of our citizens that are perfect and beyond criticism please let me know who. Respectfully, JR
 

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When I refferred to WW11 i should have said it was the last war we finished. My bad. After 911 every one was for going and terminating those who hurt us. But as combat goes on and more are killed the less enthused we get.

I served my country because i believed that it was the right thing to do. I proudly served and asked for nothing in return. Even when we were spit on and called baby killers i still held my beliefs.

I hold nothing against those who have not served and respect them on there choice. Once this mess is over in the Mideast there will be alot of vets coming back. Politicians will have alot more to worry about when they do.

It will be a generation that will be more radical in there approach in making the goverment uphold the promises they made when they went to war.

It was said 40 years ago that there will be a mideast conflict which will decide if our world as we know it will still be here in the end. It will take one push button fanatic that will destroy all that we know today.

Some say God will decide. I say its in our hands on whether there is a tomorrow or not.
 

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There were alot of John Kerrys during Nam. You just never heard about them. There were alot of folks who said they were there and never were. Then there are folks who judge by only reading articles and all of a sudden become experts on what they have read. Only he knows and Vets who arent here will meet him when his time comes.
Never heard about them hell -- they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! I was around back then. Some fought in Vietnam. They fought,carried-out, or disobeyed direct commands, -- some as kerry puts it supposedly "raped, pillaged, burnt down villages" and all that rot, like "gain-jes-con" ---- some of his comrades fought on college campii, (who also gave their lives for "the cause"). kerry fought on both. He is still fighting --- Against "the establishment", which is the establishment,btw., which is America. He is a traitor.
If you were not there you never would know the feeling and fear ones goes through when in combat. This goes for any war. Those who were there and protest have that right. Kerry is a word most vets ignore. But he was there. Those who respond to this thread were you?
I am a vet, but have no less right to complain about kerry and the war than you, in spite of the bullets you dodged for this country. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.... Personally, I dodged pallets of frozen food and jet-a hoses/ backwash in those days. I'm not proud of my motivations back then for doing so, but suffice to say, I did my job -- You ate and had air support.
Have you ever been in combat? I have and its something I have been trying to forget for 35 plus years.
Nothing against you personally, but it gets old. I'm tired of hearing that carp for the past 35years!! You served for my freedom too. I'm no less eligable to directly-partake in that freedom than you or snoop dog!! Your service is as much honored (by patriots anyhow),as kerry's and as much as Sgt York's in WW1. Can you understand that?
I know it's hard to suck it up when you see some mutant defacing our flag on an American street,in front of American reporters (propagandists by any other name) much-less, abroad! But you must suck it up! Revert back to your training. Have you tried that? It sometimes helps. But if not enough, all you have left is God.... Because many of those you served to protect hate your "stinkin slime-soaked guts". At least, that's what they told me when I got off the plane.
Not me, mind you ... To me, "You da MAN!!!!!"

All wars are for politcal reason except WW11.

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"All wars" have only two things in common: Death and destruction. As a soldier, it was our duty to accomodate that killing of people and the breaking of things. It is the uncalled-for collateral death and destruction that angers me about kerry. He and his team of gouls seek-out the ever-willing camera (the deadliest weapon ever devised), to tear this country to shreds every chance he gets!!! unacceptable!!!


As for the political, all wars are started and stopped by polititians, or defeat (whichever comes last) ,while they are directed by generals, while they are fought by WE THE PEOPLE... ALL of us have a part to play. But when I personally look back 35 years, longer than many have lived, I thank you ,kerry for your contributions, and curse you for your myriad roadblocks, then and now, and the increased,uncalled-for, non-tactical carnage on your hands!

As for 'nam -- Whether Kennedy's motives were "freedom for the oppressed", or "cheap wicker furnature", thank you for YOUR service, GF. God bless America. And God bless you. I thank God you made it, and pray ALMOST daily for those who did not.
 

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No, I wasn't there. The interviewer at the Interlake induction center was a perceptive sort, and of the 600 or so other souls in 1970 who were waiting to board the bright yellow busses to take them to Ft Lewis, and on to Viet Nam, he figured that, like **** Cheney, I might have better things to do.

I had many friends who went to Viet Nam, including my best friend from childhood, who came back with his brain fried from drugs. To my knowledge, he never took a single drug pre-Viet Nam. He used to be my skiing partner but he could no longer ski. He could no longer stand any fast movement. Don't know what became of him.

Most of my friends did not or refused to talk about their service, but a few did. One I recall was a helicopter pilot, who used to laugh when he recalled the locals who would grab hold of the runners of the 'copter and try to escape. The official military policy was to take the chopper up to about 10 feet or so, and shake them off. He used to take it up to 200 feet or so before shaking them off.

I also had many friends whose names are among the 50,000 on the memorial.

I have no idea what happened with Kerry in Viet Nam, and neither do you. The military saw fit to award him a medal, and that's good enough for me.

And you all that want to ridicule him for his service disgust me, and in my opinion you are all worse than the people that were alleged to have spat on our troops as they returned from Nam.

And that's all I have to say.
 

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and in my opinion you are all worse than the people that were alleged to have spat on our troops as they returned from Nam.

And that's all I have to say.

Well I'm glad you feel that way. Did you hear JK's speech? He burnt villages himself. If you are so proud of him then it shows exactly what kind of a person you are.

I, for one, am not proud of the soldiers responsible for Abu Graib. Or any of the other ones who've been accused of killing innocent bystanders or raping women/children. I am very proud, however, of the soldiers as a whole for tolerating the crap the Iraqis have thrown at them for 4 years and for the impressive amount of rebuilding they have done to that country.
 

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No, I wasn't there. The interviewer at the Interlake induction center was a perceptive sort, and of the 600 or so other souls in 1970 who were waiting to board the bright yellow busses to take them to Ft Lewis, and on to Viet Nam, he figured that, like **** Cheney, I might have better things to do.

I had many friends who went to Viet Nam, including my best friend from childhood, who came back with his brain fried from drugs. To my knowledge, he never took a single drug pre-Viet Nam. He used to be my skiing partner but he could no longer ski. He could no longer stand any fast movement. Don't know what became of him.

Most of my friends did not or refused to talk about their service, but a few did. One I recall was a helicopter pilot, who used to laugh when he recalled the locals who would grab hold of the runners of the 'copter and try to escape. The official military policy was to take the chopper up to about 10 feet or so, and shake them off. He used to take it up to 200 feet or so before shaking them off.

Now that's real nice, n' can't possibly be verified so it is not worth repeating PLEASE: PW2 !!!


I also had many friends whose names are among the 50,000 on the memorial.

So do I.

I have no idea what happened with Kerry in Viet Nam, and neither do you.

True enough. THAT SAID: I SURE DO KNOW WHAT THAT P*KE DID WHEN HE CAME HOME WITH HIS FLATTERIN' HOME MOVIES N' KGB LIES!!!!

The military saw fit to award him a medal, and that's good enough for me.

Sure: yer a Lib; the kool aid tastes great!!! RIGHT?

And you all that want to ridicule him for his service disgust me,

Have I ever ridiculed him fer his service? I THANK (and have thanked) HIM FOR HIS SERVICE, not fer what he did after his service!!! THAT CLEAR??????

and in my opinion you are all worse than the people that were alleged to have spat on our troops as they returned from Nam.

Dream on PW2, n' settle down.

And that's all I have to say.

Nuff said then. Respectfully, JR
 

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PW said- I also had many friends whose names are among the 50,000 on the memorial.

I have no idea what happened with Kerry in Viet Nam, and neither do you. The military saw fit to award him a medal, and that's good enough for me.

And you all that want to ridicule him for his service disgust me, and in my opinion you are all worse than the people that were alleged to have spat on our troops as they returned from Nam.

And that's all I have to say.
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Does the fact that he ridicules gonefishin and his pals for fighty in the same dam war. PW - did you stand in the line at the airport and shower the solders when they came back home?....did ya?
 

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There was another PW1 i think that bragged of how proud he was that he was a draft dodger and went on to say other proud things he did . But that was another time during iboats earlier years.

Thank you 12footer for reminding me again that there are things that never will change. I guess the older I get the more set i am. I will remember what you said and will try and stay out of threda like this where no one wins.

I said what was in my heart and am sorry for nothing.


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Quote OldMercsRule


Thanks fer yer service. Did you not serve to protect my rights to speak out n' vote?


Yes JR and one of the rights is that even John Kerry, should be able to speak without some one calling him a traitor.




Quote 12footer

Nothing against you personally, but it gets old. I'm tired of hearing that carp for the past 35years!! You served for my freedom too. I'm no less eligable to directly-partake in that freedom than you or snoop dog!! Your service is as much honored (by patriots anyhow),as kerry's and as much as Sgt York's in WW1. Can you understand that?

Your right 12footer, so take it up with the one that started this lame axx thread, for whatever reason.

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Thanks for being there Doc,in my case you sure were needed.

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Quote OldMercsRule


Thanks fer yer service. Did you not serve to protect my rights to speak out n' vote?


Yes JR and one of the rights is that even John Kerry, should be able to speak without some one calling him a traitor.

Hey Mr Tree, where ya been?? We missed ya. I firmly believe that someone who gets in front of a televised microphone and recites clearly false KGB propaganda under oath designed to specifically hurt his Country IS A TRAITOR. I have the LEGAL CORNSTATUTIONAL right to say what I just said. Your service helped to preserve the rights I have to say what I just said. Thank YOU for yer service Mr. Tree!




Quote 12footer

Nothing against you personally, but it gets old. I'm tired of hearing that carp for the past 35years!! You served for my freedom too. I'm no less eligable to directly-partake in that freedom than you or snoop dog!! Your service is as much honored (by patriots anyhow),as kerry's and as much as Sgt York's in WW1. Can you understand that?

Your right 12footer, so take it up with the one that started this lame axx thread, for whatever reason.

Quote gonefisin


Hospital Corpsman 1st Class (Doc)
1st Marine Brigade-1st Recon

In country 1969-1970 1971-1972


Thanks for being there Doc,in my case you sure were needed.

Mike Battery. –4th Battalion-11Th Marine regiment .1stMarDiv

1966_1970

Good seein' ya post Mr Tree. JR :D;):)
 

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Just got in from Boise, Medford, and Sssshasta. Went thru WW, and Milton, visited my aunt, had a fine old reunion but must get caught up on some much needed rest.
 

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Yes JR and one of the rights is that even John Kerry, should be able to speak......

This is as far as anybodies freedom of speech goes tree, and you did a good job of helping protect JK's right to say whatever. You made a real stretch to include this part, "without some one calling him a traitor", in anything having to do with the second amendment.

One has a right to say almost anything he wants. Everybody else has the same right to pass judgement and so comment on the content of that speech. And in the case of John Fitzgerald Kerry, he is without a doubt a Quisling, a Traitor and a self serving megalomaniac.
 
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