GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

Well I have a manual and are doing it not running. seems to be the cleaner way and is very easy to align the timing marks on the crank. Thanks alot!!!
 

xltier

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

the static method is much neater and easier.u can back off the rocker arm till loose,then as u tighten down the nut,spin the push-rod with ur fingers.when u feel a little resistence(thats the spring in the lifter}u turn 1 turn more.doesnt hurt to recheck after running a while.hth.
 

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

Ok--when the adjustment is made should there still be play at the rocker arm? If so how much?? We adjusted them today and was not clear on the 3/4 turn or the 1 full turn after lash is found. I have conflicts with this. I was told to find lash twist the pushrod untill it stops, then I find move pushrod up and down to remove lash. The manual is no help very non descriptive. Then i get adjust them while running. I need more info!! I know its not this hard but only want to do it the right way. Thanks for all the replys. ANY OTHER IDEAS?????????
 

achris

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

ASI<br /><br />The Mercuiser manual calls out both methods. It's fairly lengthy so if you'd like a copy, let me have your e-mail address and I'll send it to you.<br /><br />Chris...........
 

Fishermark

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

xltier describes it pretty good. It can be tricky finding exactly the point when the slack or lash is removed. I have found it helps to keep your fingers dry, (wipe off that excess oil! :eek: ), and keep spinning the push rod back and forth while slowly tightening the nut. When you think you have reached that point, back the nut off and verify that you have a little up and down play, then tighten it again to the point where the play is removed. Then add the 3/4" turn. This has always worked for me. Good luck!
 

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

Hey all,<br /><br />Think i got it!! book calls for a 3/4 of a turn after adjustment. Did this now I need to fire it up. If they are adjusted wrong how will i tell besides the clatter> I mean If they were over tightened? Thanks<br /><br />Brian-ASI
 

csanna

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Do you have an AutoZone store near you?<br />They have a tool or tools as the actualy are that sit ontop of the rockerarm over the oil hole.<br />I think they are called oil splash gaurds.<br />Cool little tool to keep in your toolbox, man they come in handy. *They are in the Help section at AutoZone*. This elimanates the Valve cover method. keep in mind that you should adj then check it with the motor on. Then shut off and make your adjustments. I guess what I am tryin to say is you dont want the motor running too long with these caps on there.<br />Once you have done enough of them you just tighten till you cant wiggle the rocker arm back and forth, run it then adj.
 

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

hey thanks have an autozone across the street from me i will take a look.<br /><br />Brian-ASI
 

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ASI<br />Lots of ways to adjust most of which have been covered. Very important that the last thing you do is a compression check. Compression check makes sure you did not get any valves too tight. If too tight and valve does not seat 2 bad things happen. 1 If valve does not set it can not give off heat to the head to cool the valve. 2 On the power stroke you will have hot burning gas exiting by the valve and the valve will burn up. At that point you will be pulling the head for a valve job. Last thing you do is a compression check.<br /><br />When I adjust my valves I do it a little different. I static adjust first. Then start the engine and warm it up. After that I put on a half cover and very slowly adjust valve down until it starts to miss. Then slowly up until runs smooth again then up 1 turn. If every thing is perfect the valve will end up adjusted to the same point (centered in the valve lifter). The reason I do it this way is I have seen many time where zero lash and down 3/4 or 1 turn will leave the valve too tight and the valve not seating. The way it works is old hydrolic lifter do not always have full travel. Sometimes the lifter binds up and the little spring in the lifter does not push the lifter all the up. At that point if you adjust to zero lash and down one turn the valve can be held open. If every thing is right both ways will leave the valve in the same location, but if you have a lifter that does not have full travel my way will leave the vlave a little loose instead of leaving the valve open. You have to adjust slow to allow the oil in the lifter a chance to get out. As I said before the last thing I do is a compression check.
 

ron7000

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

If they are adjusted wrong how will i tell besides the clatter
http://www.centuryperformance.com/valveadjustment.asp <br /><br /> http://www.centuryperformance.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=278 <br /><br />I did mine per manual #26, at 3/4 turn down from zero lash, and while the motor sounded ok and still ran up to 4600 rpm, I came across the above and decided to readjust the valves per century's advice. First way I did it with motor running, and 3/4 turn (270deg) down. Second time was with motor off but warm; I loosened all the rocker nuts so there was a good amount of play between the rocker and pushrod, cranked engine couple times to ensure lifters were pumped up, then went 3/16 turn (halfway between 1/8 and 1/4) turn down from zero. I followed the sequence in the manual, but at the end cylinder #4 had gobs of play between the pushrod and the rocker, so I ended up doing that one separate and then double checked each cylinder individually. Anyone run into this?<br />Anyway motor started up fine, and noticed idle was much higher than before, so I had to readjust that. Engine sounded smoother and hummed nicer in the 4000 rpm range, which is where I run it all the time for skiing. I can honestly say from experience, that for me the 3/4 turn down was probably too tight. At high rpm and wot the engine sounded different... hard to explain the sound, but I'm glad I readjusted them. Take it for what it's worth.
 

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

Hello all!!<br /><br />Well Good news!! It is running but it is ticking!!!No supprise though, I might have to do the engine running mess to get it right. Ticking not that bad after it warmed up but idle was rough so more adjustment is needed. will keep yas posted thanks.<br /><br />Brian-ASI
 

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Hello all!!<br /><br />Still trying to adjust the damn lifters!!!Went out and found the splash guards for the pushrods and will be trying to do it while running. My question is while running is there any order I would need to follow? Or can I just bang them out from front to rear?? Thanks for all the imput it really,really helps!! <br /><br />Brian-ASI
 

ron7000

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doesn't matter which order you do them when it's running. One piece of advice I came across about doing the adjustment when running is having a mechanics stethoscope- helps you hear the specific rocker.
 

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Re: GM 181 Rocker Arm Adjustment

Well my friends It made it out on lake michigan today!!<br /><br />Got the valves adjusted....And as always a new one will exsist ROD KNOCK...WAH WAH WAH mOTOR SOUNDS GREAT BUT AFTER ABOUT 2THOUSAND RPMS IT STARTS TO KNOCK YOU CANT HEAR IT AT IDLE DOSE THIS SOUND RIGHT?<br /><br />tHANKS BRIAN
 
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