Got me a Starchief

rheagler

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Hello all. I picked up this '67 Starchief last weekend and finally got some time to work on it today. The hull is in very good shape except for the faded cracked and peeling paint. The floor is shot, as I'm starting to believe is the case for all old boats. Anyway, today I managed to tear out the old floor, unfortunately no pics of the floorless boat, but I will be sure to take some tomorrow before the new floor goes in.
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Bwana Don

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Re: Got me a Starchief

Love them old 60's cuddies. Nice score.

Welcome to the Starmada.
 

heyyou325

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Take your time with the decking out and check the hull out real good. It's easier to fix something now than after the deck goes back in. And welcome aboard.
 

starcraftkid

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Nice boat!

I looked at that boat a earlier this year but just couldn't swing having two boats in the yard. I bought another boat he had for sale at the time.
If my boat was half as nice as that boat when I got it it would have saved me a year's worth of work and over $1500. I tried to buy the trailer out from under that boat for mine but he wouldn't sell the trailer first. I may contact him to see if that trailer is for sale. It was a bit much for that boat but would be perfect for my glass boat.
The deck looked original in that boat when I saw it, it was soft but not completely gone yet. I really liked the seat set up although when I copied that idea for mine I used shallower tanks that sat only 9" off the deck, and then mounted aluminum pedestals atop the fuel tank boxes. This allowed me to mount fuel fillers on both gunwales. I also ran both my tanks together, so both would empty about equal as I ran.

Like mine that boat had a head at one time, and like mine was long gone. My intention for the old through hull ports was to install a water tank and pump for pressurized wash down when fishing. I also thought about doing a single fuel tank on the right, and a freshwater tank on the right with a sink below the passenger seat.
When I was there in the spring he had a 110hp on it running with a garden hose and ears.
The paint on mine was the same at that one, but keep in mind those weren't white when new, they came in a dark burgundy color that didn't age well at all. I've only seen one still painted with original paint. The transom was rock solid, I could stand on the lower unit and it didn't give an bit, which is rare for a boat that age but my guess was that it spent a good part of it's life inside or at least well covered.

There's a brochure posted here that covers that boat:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/starcraftbrochures/sets/72157622210184948/
That boat has a few very desirable options, sliding side windows, full bow rail and a the seller also had the frame from the original enclosure which would have snapped to the windshield and covered the boat back to about the point where the side rails end.
At the time I talked to him, he was talking about having a top remade for it with full sides but I started seeing it for sale soon after I was there.
 

jasoutside

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Re: Got me a Starchief

So wait, is this reelfishin's boat? Has the saga come to an end? Has it been saved from the scrap yard?
 

rheagler

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Yes, this was reelfishin's boat. I don't think he would have really let it go to the scrapyard, he seems to me to have too much of an appreciation for boats to have done that.
Starcraftkid : If he doesn't still have the trailer you saw he probably has another pretty close to it. He does not seem to have any shortage of trailers or boats.
The plywood decking was toast in the boat. It seems from the factory the boat had unfinished marine plywood for decking covered in some kind of vinyl floor covering. When someone took that out and covered it with carpet I think they gave it a death sentence. The good news is all came out very easy and the foam underneath is just dusty, someone did replace the back section of floor. It is still in good shape but I'm replacing it anyway so everything is the same. That piece was only fastened with 2 drywall screws.
My intention with the interior layout is to find or fabricate folding seats similar to the one seat these boats came with new. I want to have maximum fishing room and also want to keep the weight down. I'm powering this boat with an early 80's Mercury 50 I kept from my old boat, I don't expect there to be too much power to spare.

Thanks for the comments, I will try to take pics as I progress. Unfortunately sometimes I get on a roll and forget the camera is there.
 

jasoutside

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Well that is great news right there!

Looking forward to seeing this old girl put back together!:)
 

ezmobee

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Glad that boat finally found a home. Good luck with your project.
 

rheagler

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I've got floor. I have lousy pics, but I do have floor. Finally got everything together and started at 11am, put in the last rivet about 3:30. At first I was thinking to just paint the floor, with some anti-skid stuff added, to save weight. Now I'm starting to think carpet. I like the way it looks, I hate the way it holds water. Anyway, here are the pics of the day....
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rheagler

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I like that vinyl! I'm sold already.
Thanks!
 

starcraftkid

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That marine vinyl does give you the look of carpet without all the downfalls.
That said, I was going to use commercial flooring made from vinyl. It comes on a roll and looks a lot like carpet runner but in wider rolls and with a coin shaped pattern on the surface. I was worried about it getting slippery when wet but it does great. I've even seen it in a few new boats.
It was under $50 to do the whole boat.
In the end, I cheaped out and I used some epoxy floor coating on mine that I already had with grit added.

Those mid 80's Shoreline trailers like the one that was under that boat are tough as nails, they use an all steel swivel set up that pretty much self adjusts to any boat. The only permanent adjustment you have to make is roller arm width and axle location. I had one under another boat and regret ever letting it go with the boat. It was overkill for that Starchief though. Those Starchief hulls are light, well under 1000 lbs, maybe even under 1000lbs with the motor. I weighed mine with it's outboard and a full tank of fuel, on a single axle bunk trailer and it only weighed in at 1443 lbs at the truck scales down the road. I've owned aluminum bass boats that weighed as much or even less.

A 50hp should do fine on that boat, your worst enemy will be wind.

I never figured that boat would end up being scrapped, but I think RF is thinking about a move south. I can't blame anyone for wanted to move out of NJ.
When I first looked at that boat he had a dozen or more boats. I got the impression he was trying to lighten the load and prepare for a move.
He's also a big man, I'm not sure I could picture him in that cabin very well.

When I redid my deck, I removed the foam with a shovel and pair of rubber gloves. My foam was all wet, soaked throughout and chewed to bits by mice. It stunk and weighed a ton. My hull was missing rivets, several which corroded away and fell out, only to have been glued back in with silicone. I had two dents up front which I had filled by a body shop that had aluminum experience, and my transom wood was all but gone with severe pitting under the wood. I figured that it sat in saltwater for a long time without any annodes to protect the hull. I got lucky and there was no sheet metal corrosion, just the rivets were bad. I bought a bag of rivets and went to town. I had to remove the entire interior, cabin wall included and get it down to the bare aluminum. I replaced any suspect rivets and then coated the entire inside of the hull with Gluvit and then with epoxy paint. It will outlast me.

While you have that floor out, I'd give it a coat of Gluvit for insurance, I doubt if that hull has any leaks but why not since your already there. My thought is that it also adds a layer of protection from the elements and any water that may ever lay down below deck.
I won't run any aluminum boat without it.
 

Bighoss

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Nice boat. I would sell the 50hp and look for a little more power. Not knocking your idea Buddy, just my opinion. I run on Lake Erie and sometimes with a strong wind and chop my Jet struggles with the 40hp. The 16ft SS I'm doing now won't have anything less than 75 horses pushing it. Looks like you got off to a good start pulling the floor. I'll watch for the progress and good luck.
 

rheagler

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starcraftkid, I think he still has that trailer. He talked about how it was self adjusting while we were making the trailer swap.
For now I am going to go with the paint with grit, it's cheap, and I have it in my store. In the winter I am going to soda blast the boat, after it is painted I'll upgrade to the vinyl. If the hull was beat up, I would have gone with the Gluvit, but it was clean under the foam, everything I saw was tight. If it leaks I'll just pull the floor back out and deal with it, at this point removing and reinstalling the floor would only be a 1/2 day job.
Bighoss, if I had the extra cash I would go for a bigger motor. I don't think I could sell the 50 for enough to upgrade and I know what I have with it. When I got it it was a mess. Now it runs great and is reliable. The Starchief is lighter than the 15' fiberglass boat I had before, so I think I'll be ok. I'll know for sure when it goes in the water.
 

starcraftkid

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I emailed reelfishin yesterday, he said that trailer left for FL with a boat on it Saturday morning.

If that were mine I'd be shooting for something in the 115hp range with power tilt/trim.
I agree, selling yours won't get you enough to buy a bigger motor but you may be able to trade someone who is downsizing. When I needed a larger motor, I found a guy that swapped me his good running 135hp for my 65hp. I needed more motor, he had just bought a smaller boat. It was actually a three way trade, he swapped a buddy of his for the 135hp, then traded me for the 65hp. It worked out for everybody.

I doubt that boat will have any leaks, it was too clean and didn't look abused at all, Gluvit is just cheap insurance.

An older Starchief weighs in at about 900lbs in factory trim in the water, plus motor and fuel, and any seats you add. (The newer models got heavier by about a hundred pounds in 1972 or so).
What was your old boat? Most 15' glass boats aren't more than maybe 500 or 600lbs. The 15' Starcraft I've got now weighs in at only 480 or so on the scale minus the motor and fuel tank. The heaviest I've owned was 15' Starcraft Capri trihull that weighed in at 700lbs.
Your also looking at a bit more drag due to the added beam width, along with the wind resistance of the cabin.
I'd say a good 50hp would push it, but in adverse conditions it will struggle. Getting on plane into the wind or against the current may be an issue. No doubt your prop will have to change from whatever you were running as well.
 

MichaelP

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Glad to see that one get saved. Hope you epoxied that floor inside and out.
 

rheagler

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Bummer about the trailer.
I won't turn down a sweet trade deal for a bigger motor, but I'm not going to actively seek one out unless the boat is a real dog with the 50. As long as it gets up on plane and can cruise without being at WOT I'll be happy.
My old boat was an 1983 15' Glassmaster. I don't know what it tipped the scale at but I do know my pickup had an easier time pulling the Starchief home than taking the Glassmaster to Reelfishin's place.
As far as the new floor goes, I cheaped out and used MDO plywood. I sealed the edges with oil based industrial floor paint. It will be painted with at least 2 coats of the same oil base paint. I don't want to sound like a smart a**, but this floor was so easy to replace compared to a glass boat that I wouldn't mind doing it every couple years. Anyway, no pics for today, all that got accomplished since saturday's floor adventure was connecting up the steering, first coat of paint on the floor and taking apart the windshield to clean it up. It's a bummer when work gets in the way of boat fixing.
 

starcraftkid

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I don't think he sold the trailer, I think he just sent someone down to FL with it with a boat.
Not sure if it's coming back or not.

I see two 15' Glassmaster hulls listed, but only a trihull for 1983, which weighs in at 700lbs, and an older lapstrake V hull from 1970 through 1976, which weighed in at only 613lbs.

The Starchief may have just felt better due to it having more tongue weight, the trailer would track better and you would feel less feedback from the trailer in the tow vehicle.
I have a 14' tinny which feels heavier than my 17' glass trihull, even though the tinny is only 400lbs and the trihull closer to 1100lbs. There's so little tongue weight with the lighter boat that it bucks around a bit never compressing the trailer's suspension. My trihull compresses the springs enough to smooth out the ride and the added tongue weight helps the way it handles.
Like I said, wind and the boat's beam will be your biggest concern.
I had a 50hp Mariner on an older 14' Carolina skiff and it did only 28 mph, I hung the same motor on a flat bottom 16' aluminum bass boat and it got up to 42mph, yet a buddy trie it on his 16' Mirrocraft open boat and it barely got on plane with two big guys in the boat.
It's going to be a matter of having the right prop to optimize that motor on that boat.
There's also a point where too small of a motor can also make a larger boat hard to handle simply due to the smaller prop.

Just painting the deck is fine, I doubt if the original deck was any better protected.
While I epoxy coated a few of mine, good exterior plywood holds up fine when soaked good with paint so long as the boat is stored covered or indoors.
 

rheagler

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Finally got some work done on the boat in between bracing for the hurricane and working. Got the controls hooked up,all new wiring, gauges and switches operational and new side panels in place. Most of the wood in the cabin is ok, just needs a good cleaning and painting. On the left side someone had raised up the bench, that has been removed and will soon be replaced. I'm on the fence about how to close off the back of the cockpit. It looks like there had been sliding doors there before. Does anyone have any pictures of how it is supposed to be? Anyway, I hope to get it in the water this week to see how she floats, and how well the 50 will do. Hopefully the rain in the forecast is wrong.
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